Finally, the announcement of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)

**Brian d marge** · 8th June 2012, 17:58

No enfields then , possibly because it doesnt produce power , therefore cant be approved or disapproved , 0/kg is ? How did they determine the safe power to weight? many of those bikes couldnt pull the skin of a rice pudding .........others could , the it 490

oh well its a start

Stephen

**ducatilover** · 8th June 2012, 18:07

RVF400...

That's ridiculous...
A ZZR400 makes less power and weighs more yet with a 90kg rider comes in at 150.8kw/tonne

and is not allowed

I'm all for having fun, but the RVF shouldn't be anywhere near that list.

**mossy1200** · 8th June 2012, 18:12

The gsx550ef im selling isnt on the list but a gsxr600u and gsx650fu is ?
64hp and 215kg so should be there.

**Ender EnZed** · 8th June 2012, 18:15

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

How did they determine the safe power to weight?

They just used the same as other similar schemes.

Originally Posted by Tricia1000

LAMS-approved motorcycles are determined by two factors:
 a maximum power-to-weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne (the power is that
specified by the manufacturer and the weight is the weight specified by the
manufacturer plus 90kgs for the rider and riding gear); and
 an upper engine capacity limit of 660cc.

Originally Posted by pete376403

IT490 would make one hell of a learner bike

There are a bunch of dirt-based machines on there that seem to be well outside the 150kW/T limit.

I.e. Husaberg FS650e with a little over 45kW and a manufacturers specified weight of 112kg. With a 90kg rider that's 225kW per tonne, a full 50% over the limit.

You're also allowed a WR450F or a 525EXC, both of which have the same sort of power and weight.

**Ender EnZed** · 8th June 2012, 18:16

Originally Posted by ducatilover

RVF400...

That's ridiculous...

And yet a VFR400 isn't allowed.

**neels** · 8th June 2012, 18:19

Looks like my son sold his GSXR250 just in time then.

Also looks like I made the right call buying a DRZ400 too, he take it out for a ride with me on his restricted.

**steve_t** · 8th June 2012, 18:20

So if someone's been riding an Aprilia RS250 on their L plate for the last 10 months, they can no longer legally ride it from 1 Oct? I'm pretty sure that's what it says. My mate will be disappointed. She wanted to check what was going to happen with that.

**Ender EnZed** · 8th June 2012, 18:22

Originally Posted by steve_t

So if someone's been riding an Aprilia RS250 on their L plate for the last 10 months, they can no longer legally ride it from 1 Oct? I'm pretty sure that's what it says. My mate will be disappointed. She wanted to check what was going to happen with that.

"Learner or restricted licence holders who currently ride one of these 250cc motorcycles will
have the option to apply to the NZTA for an exemption, which may enable them to continue
to legally ride this vehicle after 1 October 2012."

Get an exemption.

**steve_t** · 8th June 2012, 18:25

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

"Learner or restricted licence holders who currently ride one of these 250cc motorcycles will
have the option to apply to the NZTA for an exemption, which may enable them to continue
to legally ride this vehicle after 1 October 2012."

Get an exemption.

Oh, sweet. Cheers man!

**ducatilover** · 8th June 2012, 19:03

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

And yet a VFR400 isn't allowed.

Or the CBR400 series, ZXR400H/J/L/M, GPZ400R, GPX400R etc etc etc all of which offer similar or lower power to weights...

Originally Posted by neels

Looks like my son sold his GSXR250 just in time then.

Also looks like I made the right call buying a DRZ400 too, he take it out for a ride with me on his restricted.

The Gixxer is still allowed, any sub-250cc bike with the exception of the RS/NSR etc are allowed

Have thought of a few that should be allowed in, that aren't there and a few you can still buy, that shouldn't be according to the power to weight.

This system is much better than the old, but, it's messy and poorly done.
You can still buy a TV250 Wolf (if you can find one) which is an RGV250 with no fairings, so technically allowed.
And the RG250 Gamma, although according to factory specs...
It also says CB400... which one? There are many, I don't think a Hyper VTEC Super Four is ideal.
Retards should've got me to do it.

**Fast Eddie** · 8th June 2012, 22:42

damn RD350 on the list.. nutters machine lol - why not the nsrs and rgvs they don't make that much power eh, especially not some of them the way they have been looked after, they barely run anymore haha!

**tigertim20** · 8th June 2012, 22:57

Originally Posted by kiwi cowboy

gonna be some cheep 2 fiddys on the market now.

nah, the same muppets that paid 5k for a clapped out peice of shit will still expect the same resale value

Originally Posted by ducatilover

RVF400...

That's ridiculous...
A ZZR400 makes less power and weighs more yet with a 90kg rider comes in at 150.8kw/tonne

and is not allowed

I'm all for having fun, but the RVF shouldn't be anywhere near that list.

the list is meant to be live, it can change (and will change) based on submissions, and new info coming through from newly manufactured bikes each year

Originally Posted by mossy1200

The gsx550ef im selling isnt on the list but a gsxr600u and gsx650fu is ?
64hp and 215kg so should be there.

as above, not perfect (its the NZ govt we are talking about here after all!)

**ducatilover** · 8th June 2012, 23:02

Originally Posted by tigertim20

the list is meant to be live, it can change (and will change) based on submissions, and new info coming through from newly manufactured bikes each year

Maybe I should write in and get all the fun shit taken off the list

**Cam_Valk** · 8th June 2012, 23:30

Wooo Hooo, Im fucking stoked that my RVF is going to be learner legal.

But anyone else have any idea wtf a Suzuki GSXR-600U is?
And why its on the list.