Finally, the announcement of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)

[ducatilover]

seeing as it's only manufacturers that can get other models added to the list (without waiting for LTNZ to get off their arse) perhaps KB could set up a wiki for each manufacturer and quickly compile a list of all the legal bikes and then approx each manufacturer asking them to submit on our behalf.

That's a bloody good idea

I thought the FZS was quite a bit quicker. It's 10kg lighter and it has an extra 20hp.

I thought it had a de-tuned FZR motor?

[SVboy]

Yamaha it490-just the bike for the beginning rider!

[iYRe]

Having NZ's list in the first post is worth an extra thread though I reckon.

yeah.. that was kinda the point. Its hard(er) to find stuff buried in a thread..

[Akzle]

cool. my bike is 200kw/tonne to LAMS it i need to either gain 107kg or loose 20 ponies.
but it's just not that f*ing fast...


FYI, for the calculation:
1HP= .753kW

kw/vehicle mass (kg) +90 (rider allowance). multiply by 1000 = your kw/tonne,


but are they going to roll this in with cars?
and maybe have a special license for dicks who want a 4x4 and live in a city?

[Asher]

the issue is in australia some of these bikes have been restricted to meet the requiremnet, so the factory restricted ones (of which none have been imported into NZ) are legal, but the unrestricted ones are not,

how the consumer, or Cop that pulls you up is ment to know the difference I do not know,

(if you have a look at the AUssie distributor websites they list LAMS approved and full horsepower models for some 600-650cc models)

Bikes like a hyo GTR650L require new ecu's and exhausts to be de-restricted, i guess they figure that will be enough of a deterrent
The GXSR600U simply has a 2nd map loaded on the ecu, snip a wire and your back to full power
If you and a cop cant tell the difference between a ~140kmh bike and a ~240kmh bike theres something wrong, but that said if i had a gsxr600u i would be de-restricting it before i had scrubbed the tyres in.

[Old Steve]

Fairly limited list of manufacturers, BMW, Ducati, Honda, Husaberg, Kawasaki, KTM, Lifan, Suzuki and Yamaha. Surely there are more manufacturers of <660 cc bikes which fit the power to weight ratio. Or are these the only ones who have done the registration with NZTA so far?

[riffer]

List is pretty much a copy of the Victoria (Australia) State LAMS list.

It's up to the manufacturers to apply for LAMS status.

I'd love to see Harley-Davidson release a sleeved down version of the 883 Iron for LAMS.

[riffer]

Yeah, it's an interesting mix all right. Copied from Victoria State LAMS list.

Half the fast bikes on that list are impossible to find now. And as pointed out to me, why would you spend $19K on a slow gixxer?

I'm still gutted that they put a 660cc limit on though. I'd love to see the 883 Sportster as a learner bike. It would be sweet.

[ducatilover]

cool. my bike is 200kw/tonne to LAMS it i need to either gain 107kg or loose 20 ponies.
but it's just not that f*ing fast...


FYI, for the calculation:
1HP= .753kW

kw/vehicle mass (kg) +90 (rider allowance). multiply by 1000 = your kw/tonne,


but are they going to roll this in with cars?
and maybe have a special license for dicks who want a 4x4 and live in a city?

Darn, my 600 is making around 288kw/tonne..not so learner legal
But I'm not a 90kg rider...it's 333kw/tonne with me on it.

[scott411]

Bikes like a hyo GTR650L require new ecu's and exhausts to be de-restricted, i guess they figure that will be enough of a deterrent
The GXSR600U simply has a 2nd map loaded on the ecu, snip a wire and your back to full power
If you and a cop cant tell the difference between a ~140kmh bike and a ~240kmh bike theres something wrong, but that said if i had a gsxr600u i would be de-restricting it before i had scrubbed the tyres in.

more the point i was making is the fact that all the bikes that are here now, are not LAMS legal, this list makes it look like they are,

[ducatilover]

The list is stupid and poorly done.

That is all.

[sil3nt]

The list is stupid and poorly done.

That is all.

Agree.

Would be nice if they actually put some thought into what they were doing for once.

[GSF]

"It is your responsibility to make sure that you only ride an approved motorcycle as produced by the manufacturer without any modifications to increase its power-to-weight ratio."

I smell a Tui ad.

[HenryDorsetCase]

NC35 (RVF400) is LAMS legal but no mention of NC30 (VFR400 NC30)?

Who's got a cheap NSR250SP for me? or Aprilia RS250: they must be worthless now they arent learner legal.

[ducatilover]

Agree.

Would be nice if they actually put some thought into what they were doing for once.

When that day comes, I will be in power.