Finally, the announcement of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)

[Brett]

How the hell do you only get 25kw from a gsx-r 600. (I assume a GSX-R 600U is just a detuned gsxr??) Secondly, who the hell is going to know the difference between a GSXR 600 U whatever the hell it is and a good ol' gixxer 600 at full noise...the average copper ain't gonna know jack all. I can see this system being rather flawed.

[Mongolian]

lol - I still think 2ts will be ok.. I bought my 2t off a full licensed rider and I myself am a long time full licensed rider - learners generally don't go for them I recon.. for noobs there are too many unknowns about rebuilds and maintenance and reliability of a 2 stroke, and most don't even know what 2 or 4 stroke is. those vtr250s, gn250s, gt250rs etc seem very popular these days for learners. I never see any 2 strokes floating around or they are pretty rare.

just keep it, 2 strokes rule and make a mint 2nd bike/toy for proper thrashes, plus more of an enthusiasts bike.. There will still be people out there that want nice examples of the dying out 2ts.. another bonus is that no one makes 2t little sports bikes/race reps anymore so logically u will assume that value should increase as more of them blow up or rust away and only a few enthusiasts are left keeping theirs going

Haha, yes i do thrash it a bit, but paid the price when it seized down the back straight at pukekohe.
Just got the cylinders back from the replaters in the UK and putting it all back together this week XD

I really would love to keep the bike but it would certainly help my funds and the look on my partners face when i go to get a new bike in the next few months, as the RGV is certainly an awesome bike, but needs some stiffer suspension for my shall we say generous proportions and its pretty tight when your 6ft4 aswell (was a killer riding it down to whakatane at xmas last year)

[ducatilover]

How the hell do you only get 25kw from a gsx-r 600. (I assume a GSX-R 600U is just a detuned gsxr??) Secondly, who the hell is going to know the difference between a GSXR 600 U whatever the hell it is and a good ol' gixxer 600 at full noise...the average copper ain't gonna know jack all. I can see this system being rather flawed.

It is a bit flawed Most bikes are fitted with intake restrictors, which makes them dead at a certain RPM. But, in the U.K people were buying carb'd 600cc bikes, restricted and puuling the restrictor plates out...33hp -100+ in 1 hour...

[kickingzebra]

After a tenure with an 86 rothmans NSR 250 many moons ago, i still love two strokes... Wondering whether this is gonna see a bunch of them going cheap, or not... thoughts?
Also, what of the availabilty of bikes like the GSXR600U, I knew they were in the UK, but have never seen hide nor hair of any here. Market for restricting other more raceable bikes? Cant see any reference to any of the inline 4s of middling capacity, plenty of those would be under the kw/ton rating. Can of worms for the boys in blue to try and figure out, whats going to happen, any doubt and the onus of proof is on the rider? pulled up three times in three weeks, and have to provide a factory specification certificate everytime, cant say as though I would let the guys at VTNZ quickly whip the head off my bike to measure bore and stroke....
All in all, a good progressive step, but there seems to me to be rather a lot of unanswered questions.

[scott411]

It's not so much the HP. It's the delivery and the relative handling of the bike. The 2stroke 2-fiddies are twitchy little tykes at the best of times.

Me - I'm hoping to pick up a mint RS250 Ape in a year or so for less than $3000 - although maybe we could look at a racing class for the 2-fiddies if they get cheap enough.

they are already legal for Superlight (the old F3)

[mouldy]

I can see this working . EXC520 as a learner bike ! You stalled it , you need a few more revs . Oops A & E here we come .

[Tigadee]

Depends on where you look! It's either 53 or 42. My guess is 53 is at the crank and 42 is RWHP. It sure as shit doesn't feel like its pushing out 53 at the wheel. It's bloody slow

Heard back from NZTA - It will not be on the list officially. But if you apply for it, you can get an exemption for it as it is well below the 150kw limit, which is the technical criteria for my current exemption from the 250cc limit and thus how I got my XJ400.

[ducatilover]

The list is angering me, I haven't begun writing up the fixes for it and emailing it in yet.
It needs: More accuracy, eg; Kawasaki EN500 is not 500cc, it's 498cc.
Years of bikes; example, Honda CB400 models, it just says CB400...
There should be no need for exemption applications.
The smaller Ducatis should be on the list, they're gutless and cheap.
The GB500 isn't on the list, the 400 is.


I'm being pedantic, I don't care.

[Ender EnZed]

The list is angering me, I haven't begun writing up the fixes for it and emailing it in yet.
It needs: More accuracy, eg; Kawasaki EN500 is not 500cc, it's 498cc.
Years of bikes; example, Honda CB400 models, it just says CB400...
There should be no need for exemption applications.
The smaller Ducatis should be on the list, they're gutless and cheap.
The GB500 isn't on the list, the 400 is.

It's shit like this that makes it so interesting that bikes like the IT490, 525EXC and similar got on there. Because I really can't see Yamaha deciding to make a restrictor for a 30 year old big 2 stroke to make it learner legal!

[Tigadee]

The GB400/500, CB400/400F/N/T, CB500, NT400 Bros/NTV650 Revere and 650 Hyos are on the list they gave me for when I applied for my exemption. They must be using a shortened version for whatever reason(s)... Maybe they will update it later on.

[Glowerss]

The list is angering me, I haven't begun writing up the fixes for it and emailing it in yet.
It needs: More accuracy, eg; Kawasaki EN500 is not 500cc, it's 498cc.
Years of bikes; example, Honda CB400 models, it just says CB400...
There should be no need for exemption applications.
The smaller Ducatis should be on the list, they're gutless and cheap.
The GB500 isn't on the list, the 400 is.


I'm being pedantic, I don't care.

Please do It's a little bit ridiculous the list is as bad as it is. I mean holy smokes the Aussie LAMS list is like 5 times as long. Wouldn't it have been very easy just to copy over the aussie list?

It looks like they started just copying it across judging by how some aussie only imports (the 650SVU for example) are on the list, but then it's like they couldn't be bothered anymore.

Doubly annoying they admit my bike falls well within restrictions but can't be bothered adding it in either :P

[ducatilover]

It's shit like this that makes it so interesting that bikes like the IT490, 525EXC and similar got on there. Because I really can't see Yamaha deciding to make a restrictor for a 30 year old big 2 stroke to make it learner legal!

It's going to be very interesting A 525EXC...oh dear me!

The GB400/500, CB400/400F/N/T, CB500, NT400 Bros/NTV650 Revere and 650 Hyos are on the list they gave me for when I applied for my exemption. They must be using a shortened version for whatever reason(s)... Maybe they will update it later on.

They're just being muppets. I imagine someone not so bike mad made the list.

Please do It's a little bit ridiculous the list is as bad as it is. I mean holy smokes the Aussie LAMS list is like 5 times as long. Wouldn't it have been very easy just to copy over the aussie list?

It looks like they started just copying it across judging by how some aussie only imports (the 650SVU for example) are on the list, but then it's like they couldn't be bothered anymore.

Doubly annoying they admit my bike falls well within restrictions but can't be bothered adding it in either :P

I think it's just a srtaight copy of the Aus one, but with a few zillion bikes discounted, all the U model Suzukis are Australia and U.K bikes, we never had them not a huge amount of research has gone in to this

It is still a great improvement over the old system, it just needs to be made better

[fridayflash]

ive been waiting since 1988 for this to come in
finally im legal to ride my dr650

[rastuscat]

It's far easier to sit back and criticize than to actually make an effort at doing the real job.

At least they are trying to make some sense of what has been a bollocks system since my RD250LC was learner legal.

[quickbuck]

It's far easier to sit back and criticize than to actually make an effort at doing the real job.

At least they are trying to make some sense of what has been a bollocks system since my RD250LC was learner legal.

EXACTLY

To all those who are saying, why don't you do this or do that to your bike on the LAMS list....
Well, guess what happens at the moment, people just buy a bigger bike, and don't worry about getting a licence!

Remember, there will always be thost that cheat the system, but at the end of the day, it is for a couple of years, get your full and ride what you like.... Not hard really.