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Thread: Finally, the announcement of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickbuck View Post
    EXACTLY

    To all those who are saying, why don't you do this or do that to your bike on the LAMS list....
    Well, guess what happens at the moment, people just buy a bigger bike, and don't worry about getting a licence!

    Remember, there will always be thost that cheat the system, but at the end of the day, it is for a couple of years, get your full and ride what you like.... Not hard really.
    In my opinion ... there are a few bikes on the Lam's list that are allowed, that will test the nerves and ability of a few that choose to get one ... on their L-plate. There are a few challenged ones that struggle with them on a full licence.

    I still think a small bike (under 250) will be a wise choice, untill at least the L-plate stage is done and dusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    It's far easier to sit back and criticize than to actually make an effort at doing the real job.
    Never fear, I'll be doing a lot of work to attempt to tidy this list up.
    I imagine it'll fall on deaf ears, but it's worth a shot, for the greater good
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover View Post
    Never fear, I'll be doing a lot of work to attempt to tidy this list up.
    I imagine it'll fall on deaf ears, but it's worth a shot, for the greater good
    someone needs to make the effort, because most on here will spend hours bitching on here and acheive nothing, instead of spending 20 minutes writing a letter and posting it away

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    Have sent my letter/email, at least in regards to my XJ400 and why it's not on the LAMS list even though I already have it now under exemption and based on a similar and more extensive pre-LAMS list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertim20 View Post
    someone needs to make the effort, because most on here will spend hours bitching on here and acheive nothing, instead of spending 20 minutes writing a letter and posting it away
    I'll be doing a lot of searching and contacting people to get "official" specs, cross your fingers mate!

    I have forks to rebuild first though
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    In my opinion ... there are a few bikes on the Lam's list that are allowed, that will test the nerves and ability of a few that choose to get one ... on their L-plate. There are a few challenged ones that struggle with them on a full licence.

    I still think a small bike (under 250) will be a wise choice, untill at least the L-plate stage is done and dusted.
    Yes, 250 or under is indded a wise choice.
    What LAMS does is allow those who are too big for a 250 to get a bike of appropriate size.

    Remember too some people on L plates have been riding for years! Some have been riding for minutes. All said and done, I think now as ever it is important to get the correct bike for your needs/ abilities.

    You are right, if I remember the IT490 correctly, It isn't exactly suitable as a road bike anyway.....

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    List is pretty much a copy of the Victoria (Australia) State LAMS list.
    It sure is, give that person a gold star!!!
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    Speaking of, does anyone know how the LAMS NZ people are measuring horsepower? What metric are they using?
    Would you like me to find out on Monday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia1000 View Post
    [Speaking of, does anyone know how the LAMS NZ people are measuring horsepower? What metric are they using?
    Would you like me to find out on Monday?
    Factory claimed HP, usually at the crank. However, I believe the RVF was making a tad more than the claimed power at the wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia1000 View Post
    [Speaking of, does anyone know how the LAMS NZ people are measuring horsepower? What metric are they using?
    Would you like me to find out on Monday?
    A definitive answer would be nifty, although I suspect ducatti is right in that it goes by factory quoted at the crank.

    If you're taking requests on information, does anyone have any idea how the cross-over is going to work in regards to people already working their way through the system? IE I'll be 25 in November, and I'll be on my R late July. Under the old system (so far as I understand it), I'd be able to grab my full as soon as I hit 25 assuming I did the defensive driver course. How is it going to work once LAMS hits in October? Am I going to be required to do the new restricted period of what, a year? Or am I still going to fall under the old system as such and be able to go for my full in November? I've been looking but not been able to find a definitive answer.

    Any info in that regards would be hugely appreciated
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    The importers are going to love every dick asking them to add their bike to the list....

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickbuck View Post
    Yes, 250 or under is indded a wise choice.
    What LAMS does is allow those who are too big for a 250 to get a bike of appropriate size.

    Remember too some people on L plates have been riding for years! Some have been riding for minutes. All said and done, I think now as ever it is important to get the correct bike for your needs/ abilities.

    You are right, if I remember the IT490 correctly, It isn't exactly suitable as a road bike anyway.....
    Re your point about getting the correct bike, This may well work for me. I listed my XVS650 on trade me ( amongst 1300 other cruisers) this morning, and have have had several enquirys, from newbies with the law changes in mind. 15 on the watch list and 6 contacts.

    One chap is 160kg and had been looking at a 250 Honda. Two seem quite serious and are coming on the weekend to view the bike.

    Before the announced changes the 650 would have been in "no man's land" as far as selling attraction goes.
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    Some nice bikes there on the list.

    I look forward to a drop in 250cc bikes. Might make for some good cheap projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Rider View Post
    Some nice bikes there on the list.

    I look forward to a drop in 250cc bikes. Might make for some good cheap projects.
    My suspicion is that prices of 250's will only drop slightly, and the value of the other bikes will come up to match the 250s.

    My reasoning is that new riders have a budget to get into motorcycling - that budget will stay the same so prices won't drop that much even though supply will be better.

    Some kids will want the full sports bike thing, others will want the small cruisers, the bigger guys will go with bigger/heavier bikes or the road/trail ones with high seat heights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNanna View Post
    My suspicion is that prices of 250's will only drop slightly, and the value of the other bikes will come up to match the 250s.

    My reasoning is that new riders have a budget to get into motorcycling - that budget will stay the same so prices won't drop that much even though supply will be better.

    Some kids will want the full sports bike thing, others will want the small cruisers, the bigger guys will go with bigger/heavier bikes or the road/trail ones with high seat heights.
    Well I'm going by the fact an XVS650 was listed, and having ridden one I'd been beyond happy to have been able to ride one of those on a learners. They cost the same as a comparable styled learners, and are more than capable of 150kmph if needed. They can get up to speed a lot safer than say, the virago 250.
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