New Zealand army - no weapons no ammo.

[Sniper]

well I cant lay claim to owning some poncy ass 50 cal like you but I do have an old L1A1 in the gargre and yes when the fuzzy wuzzies come over the hill thats what Ill be sitting behind the sandbags on my porch with.

long live the FAL.

Yes, long live the FAL indeed. Although when the little asian bastards invade I reckon it will be too late

[jrandom]

you can always take one with you.

or 20, if you dont miss with the L1A1.

not 19.

it would be 19 if FAL mags had shite springs like with those 16s, but they dont.

see? every round counts, and proper springs means one more dead gook apiece.

I sleep better knowing that.

[Sniper]

So would I but the FAL was also built very well so you could use the butt to beat them to death.

[jrandom]

hum, mine has a rubbery pad on the butt. not really made for clubbing in trenches. I dont know if that was added by a previous civvy owner tho.

[Ixion]

bah, I'm with Ixion on this one. in modern times war has only ever been fought for one reason and one reason only, for the advantage of the capitalists.


http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Oh good, a fellow traveller. Welcome, comrade, to the enlightened and peace loving People's Proletarian Bolshevik Liberation and Peace movement. (PPBLP for short - Move over Mr Hitcher and the BOGARSENZ theres a new acroynm organisation on the block. Motto and principle political statement - "Free bikes for all - or at any rate, someone else pays for it" )

Armies should all be abolished, and all guns completely banned. After the Revolution of course (facilitated as it will be by the fact that there will be no way to resist) , we will introduce national conscription , together with compulsary ideological reeducation, as a preliminary to liberating the rest of the Pacific from the clutches of the evil bourgeois capitalist running dogs of the Imperial warlords.

(Uh, just to refresh my mind, like, what was it I originally said? I know it was wise , kindly, profound and politically correct - because I am always all of those things - but it would be handy to know)

[Jamezo]

oh, I can't remember. something about Communism and fried bananas.

see sig

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[Storm]

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one more dead gook apiece.
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Move with the times lass, it one more dead raghead. If you're going to make racial/cultural slurs, please try to be as up to date as possible. We cant have folks thinking us backwards and uncivilised now can we?

[Sniper]

Move with the times lass, it one more dead raghead. If you're going to make racial/cultural slurs, please try to be as up to date as possible. We cant have folks thinking us backwards and uncivilised now can we?

The gooks still are causing a fuss although you are right and the camel jockeys are worse these days.

[TwoSeven]

bah, I'm with Ixion on this one. in modern times war has only ever been fought for one reason and one reason only, for the advantage of the capitalists.

This is actually true. Even the most ardent comunists become capatilst during a war.

If you examine most countries military doctrines you'll find a phrase that says something like 'the objectives of war is to seize and hold ground for strategic or political purposes'.

What that means, is that once the E have given up trying to get the ground back from you, oil is suddenly discovered [This is a joke].

It really means is that if you select which piece of ground carefully, you can control a bigger area than what you fought for. ie. If you sieze the top of a hill and put a cannon on it, then you can fire further and accurately than the person at the bottom. Eventually they must pull back out of range of their guns to avoid getting hit.

Another example, is if you control all the farms, then you also control the cities because you have all the food.

The technical term for this controlling of extra areas without having to fight for them is called 'sphere of influence'.

Up until the end of the cold war, 'sphere of influence' was also applied to countries as well. The USSR influenced political control in its allies based in eastern europe, afrika and cuba - this really annoyed the allies, who only held western europe and the mid. east. Therefore, the USSR actually had a big influence on most of the world. There sphere was bigger than ours.

Since the cold war, doctrines have changed. There is no reason to militarily hold a piece of ground for a long period of time. So no need to invade countries and annex them.

Instead you sieze, hold and release. This is being done in iraq. What happens is the government collapses, you get a power vacume, a new leader is eventually elected with the support of the people, and bang, you now have a major sphere of influence in a new region. Note how once iraq changed it sphere, other surrounding countries (jordan, syria, egypt, lebanon) changed sphere as well.

Sieze and release works better than sieze and hold, because it generally gives long term access to assets via trade agreements. Take one nutter out of iraq and we now have access to almost the whole mid. east as a trading partner.

[Sniper]

Oh god, the civilians veiw is coming into play

[Wolf]

well I cant lay claim to owning some poncy ass 50 cal like you but I do have an old L1A1 in the gargre and yes when the fuzzy wuzzies come over the hill thats what Ill be sitting behind the sandbags on my porch with.

L1A1s are fun, vastly superior to the "Snap-Happy Lincoln Toy" (M16) but I'd go with a .243 - good flat trajectory with a lot more wallop than those silly Merkin .223 rounds and ammo is lighter than the .308 (meaning you can carry more rounds). Now all I need is a .243 semi-auto with a detachable box mag and someone who can manufacture a 30-round mag...

Despite LiasTZ's assertion that I am a "Hippy", and my lack of respect for the military "Chain of Command", I'm no pacifist - when it comes to protecting my home and family I would kill without hesitation. The main argument I have with the Armed Forces is that their idea of where I might best be deployed is likely to conflict with mine - I'm nobody's "Acceptable Loss", if you catch my drift. (OK, LiasTZ might deem me an Acceptable Loss).

[scumdog]

L1A1s are fun, vastly superior to the "Snap-Happy Lincoln Toy" (M16) but I'd go with a .243 - good flat trajectory with a lot more wallop than those silly Merkin .223 rounds and ammo is lighter than the .308 (meaning you can carry more rounds). Now all I need is a .243 semi-auto with a detachable box mag and someone who can manufacture a 30-round mag...

Aw c'mon, my 308 cartridges are almost identical in size to your 243 - the only saving is the 60 odd grains different in projectile weight.

243? hmm, o.k. but theres bugger all that it can do that my 308 won't.
BTW ever tried to get a 180 grain bullet in 243? (let alone 220 grain!!)

Having said that a 243 will handle most situations barring busting through abuch of manuka and scrub reliably.

And having just had a play with the new Bushmaster (a sawn-off M16 look-a-like) I'd say it would run rings around the L1A1 for fast ACCURATE follow-up shots and ease of carry in a vehicle or any other confined spaces.
No use having rapid fire if you can't keep on aim, nobody ever died from a near miss.

[scumdog]

never shot a 16, I hear their nice when they work.
stupid m16s, what kind of country gives their troops a weapon that needs to be cleaned daily with cotton buds and a dentist's pick.
.

You need to read the whole sorry sag of gun design, specification for powder type and dodgy manufacturers giving backhanders to get the ammo supply contracts.

It was a type of powder not specifically specified by the Colt designers that caused excess fouling and consequential jamming, NOT faulty firearm design.

Here endeth the 2 cent scumdog rant and history lesson.

[Timber020]

The way things are going, The antarctic is going to be the last big oil spot on the earth to be controlled and exploited. I wonder whose going to get it? I think we will be shooting at americans before camel jocks or any Asian nations. And they all wear kevlar. With trauma plates they can stop pretty good sized rounds. Start teflon coating your bullets.

And eugene stoner did have to take some responsibility for the lack of a clearing system being included in the mattel-16's design. Alot of troops were found dead with cleaning rods down their rifle barrels trying to clear the breach. But primarily the Ammo was bad and to corrosive and left behind to many deposits.

[scumdog]

bullpups look wack but it means that the barrel starts further back. longer barrel for less overall weapon length. steyr's no longer than the M4 yet as accurate as the 16.
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A bit rough to use if you're left-handed eh?

And talking about reliability, the old AK47 action is about as reliable as the dawn, a stock more in the style of the M16 would have been the icing on the cake.