Sports bike scum

[scracha]

ahhhh so you are from the "I didnt see it so it didnt happen" brigade too aye? I dont really care either way about who was right or wrong.....shit happens

wah wah...they don't agree with me so I don't care.

Not stating the bleedin obvious but if it DID HAPPEN then surely the cops would have posted that part of the video?

Wow, I hope none of my 'clients' read this!
(although I'm struggling to see how camera footage automatically means you wiil be able to disprove a speed you have been accused of doing...)

I'm sure most of your 'clients' actually are speeding and 'fair cop' and all that.

However, on the occasions I'm not speeding (majority of time) and a plod again 'mistakes' someone else's speed for mine, I wouldn't waste (and more of) my time arguing with the cop nor writing polite letter. I'd be straight home posting a nice youtube video demonstrating engine noise, scenery/road markings going past, speedo and other traffic (cos we can't all be speeding) prior to panning to police vehicle.

Then I'd write a polite letter with the URL and see if they're stupid enough to proceed.

[SMOKEU]

Eff me, 10 hours eh? - must have been a bad boy, only takes a short while to organise bail normally.

Don't they usually have to appear before a judge to get bail if they get K9 4U?

[skippa1]

wah wah...they don't agree with me so I don't care.

Not stating the bleedin obvious but if it DID HAPPEN then surely the cops would have posted that part of the video?

seriously? I mean really......seriously??? I agree, if somethng happened in the cameras field of vision then yes, I think that the cops would have put it up. But that wouldnt happen would it. I mean it couldnt possibly happen could it.....It would just be silly if that happened wouldnt it. It is far more likely that the cop was exercising his right as an angry fat bastard with nothing to do except express his full blown anger at a wicked motorcyclist as they should all be punished. Yes that will be it. Thats it.....I see what you are saying now.

[Akzle]

1) Its NZ buddy, if you live here, abide by it, or pay the price, its simple. or are you one of these retarded bongas like tame iti who thinks they are entitled to make their own laws? - look where thats landed him
A) actually, i call this land Aotearoa. and there were some people here before white fulla came with his "law" (legislation), who also called this land Aotearoa.
so deflate your ego and set aside your self righteousness for a moment and riddle me this:
if someone has not signed some document, (say, te tiriti o waitangi) and has not agreed to, consented to or voted for, the government to dictate their actions, then how is that government lawful? and is that people bound by that government's laws?

force? or do you have another answer?

2)billing the cops for your time? good lord you are full of shit
A) if you say so. but you should be mightily concerned that the cops don't actually make money, so they're just going to be giving me yours, for their fuckups. good system eh?

3)your attitude wreaks [sic] of that exact sentiment (fuck the police)
A) no. my attitude is exactly this: "if i'm not doing any harm, let me be. if you are not engaging with my to our mutual benefit, don't waste my fucking time." this applies to all people, i don't care what colour their gang's vest is.

4)so you failed to comply, and were detained - can you not see whats going on here? its a shame they didnt give you a kicking while you were in there, it might have knocked some sense into you. it is a crying shame that my tax dollars are being swallowed up to deal with morons like you.
A) i see exactly what's going on, i don't think you do though.
what would kicking me have achieved? and surely your tax dollars would have been much better served by the police letting me be and going on, to say, stop some crime...

5)so, how exactly do you think you won here? you were a dick and you got detained. the cops dont care. hell most of them would probably rather sit at a desk and do paperwork than be out on the streets dealing with people like you - remember, they are PAID to do the job, so its no skin off their nose at all.
A) i don't think you understand just how much paperwork i create. their short file on me is 30 odd pages of size 11 typeface, the last "incident" created a stack nearly a foot high. i don't mean filling in a few forms. i mean call a lawyer and think very carefully about what you put on paper to me. (all of this, with your precious tax dollars :'()

who's winning? why does someone need to win?
and then who loses in that contest? (and what's the contest?)

...if i can help one flaining robin unto it's nest again...
i "win" here because i) i'm not handing over money ii) the junior of the officers, who was actually quite reasonable, had her eyes opened to the bullshit. iii) the looks on this cunt's face.. seriously. it was priceless. i have a photo, i'll post it if you want. iv) despite this cunt hiding behind his cool "i am the law bow down and obey" bullshit, upon talking to him, he claimed to be iwi, and i set the cogs spinning in his head about the illegitimacy of the government and that he was enforcing the very "law" that has robbed our whakapapa, kaumatua and tipuna of their rights, lands, air, and food.
again, i opened his eyes to the bullshit.
v) now, i attempt to dislodge the ego-spanner that's jammed in your cogs. whether i win on this one or you lose... i shall not live in vain

6) ((pose unknown threats? that would require them to act on the presumption of guilt, rather than innocence.. that's a slippery slope buddy.))
no it isnt - you have failed to comply with the law its perfectly reasonable to assume that you are hiding something/guilty of something when you chose to break the law instead of doing something as simple as stating your name and D.O.B - something most 5 year olds can do, but you cant?
A)with THEIR law, not mine.
and it IS NOT reasonable.
why should i have to "identify myself" if i) i haven't committed a crime ii) they have no reason to believe i have iii) there is no witness accusing me of such.???

as far as a "name" and "date of birth" go. i don't remember being born. i couldn't possibly attest to the time or place, or circumstance. the only evidence i have that i was born is that i'm alive.
so how can i state something if i have no knowledge of it?

and what is in a name...
okay, i'm called bob.
no? not good enough. you want a "full name" eh? and that ever important d.o.b
so maybe they actually want to link me to say... a person.
for whose benefit would they do that?

7)I think we have found a new contender for the "DB award for arrogance and stupidity".
A) i think this would be summed up brilliantly with:
"where you point the finger, there are three pointing back."
have a good think about the man in the mirror buddy, if this is your attitude/outlook/perspective on life.
it can be so much better.

and i pity the hell out of any kids you've had, or will have. what a sad way to bring a child up.

[skippa1]

1) Its NZ buddy,etc et etc ,

ok....... dont forget to spread those red reps around fellas, theres plenty for all hah

[tbs]

So, Akzle and Dangerous Bastard, I'm genuinely curious about a couple of things.

Akzle I understand you reject the Sovereignty of Parliament over you based on your Iwi status. Dangerous Bastard I understand you reject Parliament's sovereignty over you, partly based on stuff you've written in the past, but I'm unclear as to your reasoning.

A couple of questions for you both:

You claim to have rights outside of those given to you by the rule of law. What are your rights, and corresponding responsibilities towards the society in which you live?

Who are you answerable to? Or if you want me to use correct grammar while maybe sounding pretentious.... To whom are you answerable?

And this one's for Dangerous Bastard particularly....

Revolution, really? Do you think the average man or woman on the street feels that oppressed? Enough to cut through the massive amount of apathy felt by I suspect the vast majority of the population?


I look forward to your answers.

Edit: sorry, Cookmysock..... But everyone knows you're DB.

[Akzle]

Akzle I understand you reject the Sovereignty of Parliament over you based on your Iwi status. Dangerous Bastard I understand you reject Parliament's sovereignty over you, partly based on stuff you've written in the past, but I'm unclear as to your reasoning.

A couple of questions for you both:

You claim to have rights outside of those given to you by the rule of law. What are your rights, and corresponding responsibilities towards the society in which you live?

Who are you answerable to? Or if you want me to use correct grammar while maybe sounding pretentious.... To whom are you answerable?

And this one's for Dangerous Bastard particularly....

Revolution, really? Do you think the average man or woman on the street feels that oppressed? Enough to cut through the massive amount of apathy felt by I suspect the vast majority of the population?


I look forward to your answers.

dont stand under me man...

i reject the parliament because they're a defacto organisation who i don't see benefiting anyone. it has nothing to do with iwi.
i am citizen earth., so are you, so's everyone else.
i claim no rights over anyone else.
my rights are second only to the rights of the creator, call it god, allah, buddha, ganesh, mother earth, jah. call it whatever the fuck you want.
i have been created, as has everyone else. that puts me exactly equal with everyone else. not above, not below. i'm not claiming the right to tell anyone (let alone everyone) how to live.
there are several "laws" i am bound by (as is everyone else) the laws of physics, god's law, common law, natural law. these laws are laws because they are inescapable for everyone,
they're not written down, in fact they're hardly reflected in the legislation of the world governments today.

as outlined several times i dont live in that society. i may be in the land now called "new zealand" and i may live in somewhere that someone has claimed is a "district".
but boundaries only exist in the minds of small men. countries, borders, territory, it's all a bullshit game used to play men off against each other, create division and conflict where there need not be.

i am answerable to the omnipotent entity outlined in my first point. whatever that is. i am answerable to gravity.
i am answerable to myself. (personal responsibility)

i dont need a statute or "rule of law" to give me rights. i am born with rights. natural rights, god given rights. only if someone infringes against them (as the police are wont to do) is there a problem.
these are often called inalienable rights. they are somewhwat reflected in the magna carta, they were reflected in the intent of america's consititution.
they are rights which no man can lawfully or rightfully deprive me of without force.

IF i do harm to another man (it would be by accident, rather than design) then i become indebted to him, or, if i killed the bastard, his family.
i don't like to live in debt.

and no, i don't think the average blow is motivated enough, nor inclined to, revolt.
that's a shame though.

anyone care to have a crack at answering my questions?
isn't red rep so cool, you get to feel like you've had your little stab, and your opinion matters.
why not go vote about it. =D

[Mushu]

I am amazed at the support for the cop here, I have watched both vids and the treatment the guy receives is not even close to justified.

Watching the cops dash cam he obviously has a good reason to be upset, but there is still no excuse for the way the guy is treated. Most jobs where you have to deal with the public you have to deal with abuse and not only not allowed to pass that abuse to the next customer but in most cases you can't even react to the abuse when it happens (I once worked at one of the busiest service stations in Sydney, when the petrol price went up by about 50% overnight, I was abused for 12 hours straight but if I had have given it back to just 1 customer would have been a warning so 3 would have been my job)

The fact the guy pulls over at all suggests his innocence - do you think the guy that got the cop pissed off in the first place would have ever pulled over? Now the guy with the camera has a reason to lose respect toward the police he may be the dickhead taunting the cop next time.

Unfortunately these things happen everywhere and to a lot of people, there are lazy cops, stupid cops and a lot that just don't care, could I do any better? Hell no. I have plenty of flaws too.

Also, in my experience, if you do find your self in a situation where you are being mistreated by the police there is almost nothing you can do, the courts see the cops as infallible, unless you have rock solid evidence they will not even entertain the suggestion the cop may be lying -I watched a mate go to jail because of a cops blatant lie that conflicted with his own report of the incident (and the useless public defender that didn't know my friends name when I tried to ask him about it less than a minute after we walked out of the court room)

I am definitely up for the revolution, somethings gotta change, but what's gonna stop the same crap from happening again?

[tigertim20]

Im a retarded cunt.[/COLOR]

yes you are.

a shame your mother didnt swallow.

[tbs]

dont stand under me man...

i reject the parliament because they're a defacto organisation who i don't see benefiting anyone. it has nothing to do with iwi.
i am citizen earth., so are you, so's everyone else.
i claim no rights over anyone else.
my rights are second only to the rights of the creator, call it god, allah, buddha, ganesh, mother earth, jah. call it whatever the fuck you want.
i have been created, as has everyone else. that puts me exactly equal with everyone else. not above, not below. i'm not claiming the right to tell anyone (let alone everyone) how to live.
there are several "laws" i am bound by (as is everyone else) the laws of physics, god's law, common law, natural law. these laws are laws because they are inescapable for everyone,
they're not written down, in fact they're hardly reflected in the legislation of the world governments today.

as outlined several times i dont live in that society. i may be in the land now called "new zealand" and i may live in somewhere that someone has claimed is a "district".
but boundaries only exist in the minds of small men. countries, borders, territory, it's all a bullshit game used to play men off against each other, create division and conflict where there need not be.

i am answerable to the omnipotent entity outlined in my first point. whatever that is. i am answerable to gravity.
i am answerable to myself. (personal responsibility)

i dont need a statute or "rule of law" to give me rights. i am born with rights. natural rights, god given rights. only if someone infringes against them (as the police are wont to do) is there a problem.
these are often called inalienable rights. they are somewhwat reflected in the magna carta, they were reflected in the intent of america's consititution.
they are rights which no man can lawfully or rightfully deprive me of without force.

IF i do harm to another man (it would be by accident, rather than design) then i become indebted to him, or, if i killed the bastard, his family.
i don't like to live in debt.

and no, i don't think the average blow is motivated enough, nor inclined to, revolt.
that's a shame though.

anyone care to have a crack at answering my questions?
isn't red rep so cool, you get to feel like you've had your little stab, and your opinion matters.
why not go vote about it. =D

Akzle I think you might have trouble putting forward realistic argument that parliament doesn't benefit anyone. I personally benefit in a lot more ways than I am inconvenienced by Parliament's activities. I benefit from infrastructure, roading, healthcare, economic policies that attempt to foster trade deals with foreign powers for our financial benefit. I directly benefitted from having laws written down that enabled Police officers to detain and prosecute the person who stole my car stereo, and then return my property to me. People who are unable to work and provide for themselves or their families for whatever reason benefit from having systems put in place to see that they are looked after. People who through their own stupidity hurt themselves benefit. Those who are weak and unable to stand up for their own rights benefit. I submit that everyone in society who draws any benefit from organized government in return takes on responsibilities to that government. Your rights are not absolute. They exist in constant tension with your responsibilities toward the rest of society. You can't claim one and opt out of the other.
People try all the time of course. People are largely motivated by self interest. That is why we have crime. That is why we have laws written down for everyone to see..... Because self interest will win out over natural law every time and the wants of the strong will win over the rights of the weak. If you accept the right of a small child to be protected from harm, then you must accept that someone must be entrusted with the role of protecting that child. If the family won't take on that responsibility, and in-fact becomes the source of harm, then who will stand up for that child's rights? That is just one example of why we need a police force. If you accept that some form of enforcement role is required, then their must be rules to lay out how that enforcement role is to be conducted. We need written laws to define the point where our rights give way to our responsibilities, and how justice may be enforced. We also need to respect that our individual rights can be diminished in the interest of seeing justice done for the greater good of society.... to a reasonable degree of course. Parliament has dictated that it is reasonable that any individual must provide their name if asked by a Police Officer. I agree with them.

So Akzle, if you feel it is your God given right to step outside that paradigm, and claim that none of the laws written down to codify acceptable limits to human behaviour apply to you, and further, to then deliberately waste Police time that could be better spent in a productive manner simply because you don't see why you should co-operate in supplying your name, then I submit that your thinking is inconsistent and inherently flawed.

[Bikemad]

Akzle I think you might have trouble putting forward realistic argument that parliament doesn't benefit anyone. I personally benefit in a lot more ways than I am inconvenienced by Parliament's activities. I benefit from infrastructure, roading, healthcare, economic policies that attempt to foster trade deals with foreign powers for our financial benefit. I directly benefitted from having laws written down that enabled Police officers to detain and prosecute the person who stole my car stereo, and then return my property to me. People who are unable to work and provide for themselves or their families for whatever reason benefit from having systems put in place to see that they are looked after. People who through their own stupidity hurt themselves benefit. Those who are weak and unable to stand up for their own rights benefit. I submit that everyone in society who draws any benefit from organized government in return takes on responsibilities to that government. Your rights are not absolute. They exist in constant tension with your responsibilities toward the rest of society. You can't claim one and opt out of the other.
People try all the time of course. People are largely motivated by self interest. That is why we have crime. That is why we have laws written down for everyone to see..... Because self interest will win out over natural law every time and the wants of the strong will win over the rights of the weak. If you accept the right of a small child to be protected from harm, then you must accept that someone must be entrusted with the role of protecting that child. If the family won't take on that responsibility, and in-fact becomes the source of harm, then who will stand up for that child's rights? That is just one example of why we need a police force. If you accept that some form of enforcement role is required, then their must be rules to lay out how that enforcement role is to be conducted. We need written laws to define the point where our rights give way to our responsibilities, and how justice may be enforced. We also need to respect that our individual rights can be diminished in the interest of seeing justice done for the greater good of society.... to a reasonable degree of course. Parliament has dictated that it is reasonable that any individual must provide their name if asked by a Police Officer. I agree with them.

So Akzle, if you feel it is your God given right to step outside that paradigm, and claim that none of the laws written down to codify acceptable limits to human behaviour apply to you, and further, to then deliberately waste Police time that could be better spent in a productive manner simply because you don't see why you be should co-operate in supplying your name, then I submit that your thinking is inconsistent and inherently flawed,and you are a cock

fixed for ya

[tbs]

fixed for ya

Thanks. Appreciate the help.

[MentalFacility]

Thanks. Appreciate the help.

you and Akzle tend to line up with the extremes. In life its somewhere in between. Police is like this because of the human factor. 10 cases solved, but only 5 cases resolved.

Just as for the name, I recon there shouldnt be much problem in supplying your name to the police if you really dont have anything to fear or hide.

[onearmedbandit]

But Akzle doesn't have a name. He can't remember choosing it himself, he was only told that's what his name is. He is a child of the earth. That is all.

[Bikemad]

But Akzle doesn't have a name. He can't remember choosing it himself, he was only told that's what his name is. He is a child of the earth. That is all.

what...is he a hobbit or sumfing?