Sports bike scum

[Edbear]

oh you honor me with your courtesy!

i don't care if you read it or not, or if you believe it or not. i encourage thinking for yourself. i offer my mind of things, i provide the bases that you may search from, should you care to.

but i thought we were doing the whole "irrelevant things that aren't actually related to the case at hand" thing... i got the idea when you started bringing up history and maori and shit.

common law is not written down. case law is seperate from common law.

straw-man means something entirely different to me.

my basis is that i'm not a cynical cunt and believe in the inherent good of teh universe.

has ever before in your history, there been a conscious, unilateral-universally level playing field?
(no) your preposition is entirely speculative.
"so there has been before, so it must be yet..."
not the case.
this wee thing about evolution.

and you're right, i don't believe any of my questions have been answered.


FUCK, what was the original question? >
( i believe my original point was that the government, and thus anything arising from it's existence is illegitimate)

Define Government

[tbs]

as outlined several times i dont live in that society. i may be in the land now called "new zealand" and i may live in somewhere that someone has claimed is a "district".
but boundaries only exist in the minds of small men. countries, borders, territory, it's all a bullshit game used to play men off against each other, create division and conflict where there need not be.

Sorry about the extending you courtesy comment. That probably came across way more arrogant than it was meant, but it is damn hard to follow your lines of reasoning sometimes, for the reasons already outlined.

Now, about the above quote, I wonder how your Kaumatua would feel about this idea? As I understand it, the boundaries of a Marae are clearly defined, and it would constitute a massive breach of protocol to enter someone else's Marae uninvited. Am I correct or does that boundary exist only in the minds of small men?



"Interestingly the Maori would use 'SHAMING' as a powerful tool to 'force compliance' within the tribal rules/laws."

i'm all up for this. tarring-featherings, pillories, tatooing people, castration in some cases, chopping off hands, public hangings... bring it on.
for someone who HAS COMMITTED HARM AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE AND MADE NO ATTEMPT AT REMEDY, i accept punishment as valid, and it should represent the crime.


Who would you trust to decide who is guilty of harming someone else without attempt at remedy, and then to administer appropriate punishment? If those entrusted with that authority needed to ask a bunch of nosey questions in the course of their investigations, would you cooperate?





Alright, I know we are way off original topic, but I'm finding this amusing. Anyway I think we all basically agree that the bikers were acting like pricks, and the cop acted way outside his jurisdiction.... which was stupid anyway. America has the same laws about admissibility of evidence that we do. Any evidence illegally obtained can't be used against you in court.

[actungbaby]

your so right there buddy imagine if guys on here that so anti police had bikes stolen they be like crying oh my bike my bike
talk about bunch idiots riding like morons probley go on to drive cars like that as well end up hurting some biker people like this dont stick with bikes

In NZ Failure to provide a Police officer with you name and address is enough to have you locked up. So Go for it and remain silent, no skin off my nose.
You clowns should not be allowed to ride motorised vehicles of any sort.
Watch the vid.The officer ignored many other offences in his careful pursuit of the guy he stopped, no one was hurt except the dick with the helmet cams ego.
Then to read some of the posts on the vids commets line, wow.
I don't suspect, I know, if any one of you keyboard warriors were ever in trouble you'd be hollering for our boys in blue pretty quick smart, if any one of you did what these wallies on bikes did you'd expect to go down, wouldn't you?
Grow up!
Get off our roads and make em safer and pleasanter for those of us who ride with no expectation of being picked on and don't give other motorists cause to Hate bikers.

[jasonu]

I actually just moved to NZ from Chicago in the last few years. In Illinois (state where Chicago is located) Helmets aren't even compulsory. My sisters an ER doctor there still, where bikers are known as "organ donors".

The problem is the way bikes are perceived over there. They're basically seen as toys or fashion statements by mostly young males. There's no licensing restrictions t all, and shit I read somewhere that something like 85% of motorcyclists in the states don't even have a license. There's almost no training programs, and because bikes are SO CHEAP back home (You can get a gently used 3 year old GXSR for under 5k. Theyre like 8 brand new) there's little incentive to take care of it or yourself really.

It just boils down to the sort of people buying them. Because the weather is shit over there 90% of the time, you dont see anyone buying them for regular transport like you do here. People buy a motorcycle because they want to go fast and look cool. Doesn't lend itself to safe, responsible riding.

Mate what planet are you from? That is the biggest load of twaddle I havwe read on KB for quite a while.

[Akzle]

Fuck, all that green just makes me want to smoke more weed.

all this weed makes me want to write more geen

Umm....I'm kinda in agreement with Akzle....

most people are, as you said.
and most people are ignorant of the law and the difference between that and legislation.
most people go on to whinge about how they voted for the green/red/blue but it didn't work, and shit's still fucked, without then making the link to the fact that it's the system causing most of the problems, not the participants.
most people grumble through life. i choose differently.

politicians are fucking clever. slick as shit. you think they don't know what's going on?
unfortunately, unlike finance companies, the leaders of countries are not often called to account. (300 hours community service for shon key, for fucking the economy... hah) someone quoted the apathy of the populace, i'd say they're on the money.

Define Government

nah. you.


((to me, the government is actually the manifestation of a collective sickness of mind of you guys (the plebians, public, citizens, subjects... whatever) it's the sickness whereby you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, you want someone else to make all the hard decisions.
you don't like crime, but would whinge if they built a prison next door
you want the toilet to flush and your shit to disappear, but you don't want a muck pond next door.
you want someone else to have the blame/responsibility for loosing billions ("dollars" based on YOUR taxability) on world debt markets. then, whether you voted for it or not, you're insulated from having to take responsibility and can grumble on about how it was either a) bad decision or b) due to factors beyond that poor, innocent, unknowing government's control

you are the plow horse. blinkers on, whips on your back. just do your job. worry about your own, you'll get enough feed at the end of the day, and groomed/petted just enough so you don't go feral, hell, if you come up lame, they'll still strap you to all the other horses, but the others will be dragging your sorry a55 along, and not because they want to.))
just my humble opinion. =)

...the boundaries of a Marae are clearly defined

...Who would you trust to decide who is guilty of harming someone else without attempt at remedy,

...would you cooperate?

...and the cop acted way outside his jurisdiction.... which was stupid anyway. America has the same laws about admissibility of evidence that we do. Any evidence illegally obtained can't be used against you in court.

don't try and follow my lines of reasoning, i'm not entirely sane. you would need to be coming from a similar headspace and level of research down my path to get it.
if you're interested: research anything i put forward as truth.
the irony of this is, if we were in a "court of law" having this discussion, that's exactly what this would be: my truth. and presumably what you're putting forward is your truth. but is either less true?

maraes do have boundaries, quite obvious ones. tribes claim territory, not always so obvious, seeking uruwhenua to travel across/ on to someone elses claimed space is a courtesy. you're unlikely to be killed for not abiding.
i would compare this to the neighbours kids who might want to throw slugs at rabbits... i would expect them to ask permission. it's a respect thing, and the tangatawhenua assume the role (second to god) of carers of the land. not owners.
(if you want to walk on to a marae, keep off the grass walk around to the left, bring beer)

the semi-modern idea that a man can "own" anything, particularly land. (we get a lifetime lease on a carcass.. but once we're done, the fate of man is but the worm.) is at the base of many an historic(since we're going there) conflict. even in NZ if your house is bought and "paid for", you don't own shit. you're holding fee simple TITLE, (while your good caring govt retains ALLOIDAL TITLE and thus, "ownership" and thus all the rights to tell you what to do.)

who would i trust? in my ideal society: everyone
as it is: me
sure as shit not: police, lawyers, government agents, bankers, politicians, hookers, the elderly, the ignorant, religious leaders, white guys in suits, your kids, SUV "drivers", meth addicts, alcoholics, marketing department staff, accountants, anyone who says in conversation "LOL" in place of actually laughing, people who describe everything as "epic" (like their EPIC breakfast of bacon and eggs. whoopdee shit, i had epic weetbix.), anyone with a twitter account, most people with facebook, jews (don't start hatin.), germans, americans or plumbers. (including, but not limited to)

would i co-operate, no, probably not. i can give only my truth, and if my truth is that: "i'm innocent," then fuckoff and let me be.
if i have been witness to the harm, then I, not the police, will be the first to call the guy on it and offer him the chance to make right, failing that, it's the back-paddock-hole. (i'm going to dig one... for posterity.)

just look at this murder trial on now (it's only taken two years)
the cops evidence is that the guilty-guy wore some boots that they (the cops) say he had... but never found and can't prove?!?!. why the fuck is time and money being wasted on shit like this??
see also: david bain. i don't care if he was guilty or not a) they didn't have enough evidence to convict him b) they falsified/interferred with evidence to incriminate him (and the police that did so got off, scott free)
justice. yeah right. it's a fucking mockery and i just don't support it.

[scumdog]

see also: david bain. i don't care if he was guilty or not a) they didn't have enough evidence to convict him b) they falsified/interferred with evidence to incriminate him (and the police that did so got off, scott free)
justice. yeah right. it's a fucking mockery and i just don't support it.

List the 'falsified' evidence.

And shit, it must be torture for you to live in such a hell-hole as New Zealand is eh?

So what have YOU measurably done to improve it?

[Akzle]

List the 'falsified' evidence.

And shit, it must be torture for you to live in such a hell-hole as New Zealand is eh?

So what have YOU measurably done to improve it?

answer ALL my questions. then i'll return the favour.

[scumdog]

answer ALL my questions. then i'll return the favour.

You had questions?


Had the green miasma not been so long I might have actually read it...

[Akzle]

You had questions?


Had the green miasma not been so long I might have actually read it...

you're a bit late in this game and a bit low on content...

[Glowerss]

Mate what planet are you from? That is the biggest load of twaddle I havwe read on KB for quite a while.

Oh? Prove me wrong then. When last I checked, something like 85% of motorcycle riders in the states were unlicensed and had no formal training of any kind. And the age groups with the largest amount of accidents was under 30.

There is almost no awareness of any kind of motorcycle safety, at least in Illinois. Shit, helmets aren't even compulsory. There are no Government subsidized training programs, no safety programs, and no awareness. I lived in Chicago for 25 years and I can't remember a single time where I saw somebody in full gear. Hell, I can only remember ever seeing less then a handful of people ever having a jacket. Less then 50% were wearing helmets. Why do you think virtually every youtube video from the US involving a sportbike inevitably has somebody in shorts, a wifebeater tshirt and as often as not no helmet? Because it's a bloody common occurance. Sensible riders are an extreme minority back home.

Bikes are ruddy impractical at home. I would wager 70%+ of people buying bikes aren't doing it to save petrol going to and from work. They buy em because they're a cheap way to go very very quickly.

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2...1000-103174464

2005 GSXR 1000 with 15k ish KMs for 5500. Theyre unbelievably cheap for what they are.

[Berries]

Bikes are ruddy impractical at home. I would wager 70%+ of people buying bikes aren't doing it to save petrol going to and from work. They buy em because they're a cheap way to go very very quickly.

Nothing wrong with that is there?

[Glowerss]

Nothing wrong with that is there?

By itself? Not necessarily. But when it's accompanied by a lack of common sense/knowledge/training/gear and supersports bike as your first ever 2 wheeled vehicle, it becomes a problem

Seriously, the American motorcycle forums are hilarious. On one of the Suzuki websites, one poster asked what the difference is between the gsx 650f (faired bandit) and the GSXr 600, because he was looking at his first bike, wasn't sure of the difference between the two, and wanted to know if he should go for the sportsbike first because he was worried about "getting bored".

The common response was to buy the 600, because the 650 was "too slow". One of the posters even reccomended buying a thou first, as he had bought the 600 first, and he got "bored of it, as it was too slow" and regretted not having a litrebike as his first.

The biking community and the perception of bikers here could not be any different from back home. My family back home was absolutely mortified I had bought a motorcycle here, as they were sure i was destined to die immediately.

The graduated licensing system/subsidized rider training and the overall general perception of motorcycles and their dangers in NZ is soooooo much better then, if not the US, then Illinois/Chicago in the very least.

[onearmedbandit]

Seriously, the American motorcycle forums are hilarious. On one of the Suzuki websites, one poster asked what the difference is between the gsx 650f (faired bandit) and the GSXr 600, because he was looking at his first bike, wasn't sure of the difference between the two, and wanted to know if he should go for the sportsbike first because he was worried about "getting bored".

The common response was to buy the 600, because the 650 was "too slow". One of the posters even reccomended buying a thou first, as he had bought the 600 first, and he got "bored of it, as it was too slow" and regretted not having a litrebike as his first.

That sounds like gsxr.com. At gixxer.com he would've been recommended to take the msf and, although a few might mention getting the GSXR as a first bike, most would've suggested getting a small cheap bike to learn on (although the gsxf would be pretty much fine for a first time rider who has completed their msf). GDC really surprises me with the way they jump on squids.

[SMOKEU]

That sounds like gsxr.com. At gixxer.com he would've been recommended to take the msf and, although a few might mention getting the GSXR as a first bike, most would've suggested getting a small cheap bike to learn on (although the gsxf would be pretty much fine for a first time rider who has completed their msf). GDC really surprises me with the way they jump on squids.

You should see the way they are with me on the SRAD forum!

[onearmedbandit]

You should see the way they are with me on the SRAD forum!

I shudder to think. But I might have a look for a laugh.