Speeding, is it the real issue?

[Winston001]

People have been having fatal accidents ever since they learned to ride horses. The human body is not constructed to withstand sudden and violent deceleration. The brain bounces around and doesn't like it, and the heart tears off the aorta. Neither are conducive to ongoing life.

The physics are simple: throw a thin bag of fluid against hard objects and it breaks.

Which leaves engineers, road builders, and governments with drawing speed limits which apply across the whole population. And must allow for all types of vehicle.

Thus a thin mountainous island with few taxpayers gets roads where 100kph is safeish but in fact too fast in plenty of places. And numbingly slow in others.

And for those who criticise the quality of our roads check out Australia: they have many roads with only a single lane of asphalt. Bad luck on a bike at 160k if you find a kangaroo or oncoming vehicle.

[Fast Eddie]

you do NOT need 200bhp to have fun on the road... thats just EGO yakking pure and simple..

I can handle it, I am a good rider...... Tui advert!!!!!!

haha relax.. jeez.

and na you don't need it. infact you don't need a lot of things.

but they are nice to have around.. so less complaining.. and more supporting of the fun toys.

500hp cozza anyone?

[GrayWolf]

haha relax.. jeez.

and na you don't need it. infact you don't need a lot of things.

but they are nice to have around.. so less complaining.. and more supporting of the fun toys.

500hp cozza anyone?

PFFFFT... fun toys? you can have fun on sub 100bhp with good torque... Bandit 1250 is a good example, GSX1400, XJR1300, CBR1300.......
MT-01... all fun toys!!!

[Tigadee]

"seatbelts save idots" is probably more apt.

Makes life easier for the St Johns people, don't have to search for your body.

[ducatilover]

PFFFFT... fun toys? you can have fun on sub 100bhp with good torque... Bandit 1250 is a good example, GSX1400, XJR1300, CBR1300.......
MT-01... all fun toys!!!

To each their own though, while I agree with you, some people do enjoy the top end rush of a 4cyl (it is somewhat addictive)
I think I'd be rather happy with however many HP a GB4/500 has, but I'd be even happier with a VTR1000

[GTRMAN]

Sigh. Yes, I know - it was me who explained it to you. I also explained that 60mA was more than enough to kill you. On that basis, I'd be happy for you to demonstrate the "some hundred milliamps".



Really?



But, who knows? Someone who can blow five times the legal alcohol limit and not be even slightly impaired, would likely be impervious to electrickery as well.

That, or full of bullshit and bravado. I'm sure we can work it out...

"Don't wrestle with pigs, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it" On the up side it would appear that with all the information coming from our esteemed colleague he should be up for a Darwin award any day now....

[Akzle]

"Don't wrestle with pigs, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it" On the up side it would appear that with all the information coming from our esteemed colleague he should be up for a Darwin award any day now....

i love esteem!
i love awards!
oh the future looks bright eh?

[Swoop]

the biggest 'killer' here is the roads themselves, gravel, poor construction methods, tight corners with ditches...

Do not forget the amazingly common "wrong camber for the direction of turn". Road designers/builders have mastered that ability.

The best form of safety is alertness, and training, training, training.... did I say training?? THAT is the one area the NZ Govvy seems to have bugger all interest in, advanced driver/rider training.....

I've been saying that for years. Not that any government or agency will ever take notice...

[Blackbird]

The best form of safety is alertness, and training, training, training.... did I say training?? THAT is the one area the NZ Govvy seems to have bugger all interest in, advanced driver/rider training.....

Couldn't agree more but there's a fair bit of hypocrisy among riders too in blaming other road users for their poor skills but not doing anything formal to get their own standards assessed by a competent third party.

Fair comment?

[Kickaha]

probably the biggest 'killer' here is the roads themselves, gravel, poor construction methods, tight corners with ditches , and most roads have a plethora of lethal obstructions and roadside furniture. When compared to motorways in Europe, or A class roads, the highways here are substandard. So to my mind the greatest contributor IS the roads themselves, they leave little (at best) to no room for error at any sort of high speed.

The biggest killer here is the high level of incompetence amongst NZ road users due to the poor level of training and their inabilty to consider themselves anything but a good driver

[Big Dave]

[tigertim20]

The biggest killer here is the high level of incompetence amongst NZ road users due to the poor level of training and their inabilty to consider themselves anything but a good driver

Ill expand on that.
the biggest killer, is people not recognizing the limitations afforded by our poor quality roads - the roads arent the factor, peoples inability to recognize changes in the road and adapt to the roads we have are.

[scumdog]

The biggest killer here is the high level of incompetence amongst NZ road users due to the poor level of training and their inabilty to consider themselves anything but a good driver

So bloody true - some would be out of their depth in a Reliant Robin on Bonnelville salt flats, they'd still find a way to crash.

The tragic thing is most don't realise the level of their incompetence - even after they have binned by their own hand.

[Muppet]

that may be your bench-mark.
i'll put the challenge to ya tho. if i'm ever in your neck of the woods, i'll have a few bevvys then we can go for a spin eh?

i didn't say drunk. i said with 2000mics breath alcohol. that's probably still a while before i'll be "impaired".

studies have shown (UK one, i'm thinking of) that people are actually "better" drivers after 1-3 "standard drinks". go figuire.
maybe it should be mandatory to have a breath alcohol reading of 100mcg?

shouldn't you be out enforcing policy somewhere? i just saw on the news that there's been some crime.
i don't think you or your kind are doing a good enough job.

as the public, your "service" is highly lacking.

PS, as an agent of a defacto institution that relies on bully-tactics, threats of force and deceit to take the benefits of people's sweat off those people, your view of "credibility" doesn't mean very much.

When you eventually crash, and it will be a beauty cos you'll be speeding as well as being drunk, can you make sure you hit the only tree on the road and not take out anyone else? Cheers!

[caspernz]

So bloody true - some would be out of their depth in a Reliant Robin on Bonnelville salt flats, they'd still find a way to crash.

The tragic thing is most don't realise the level of their incompetence - even after they have binned by their own hand.

Very true!

Mind you, when I brought up last year that I was gonna do some rider refresher training...the chorus of disparaging remarks summed up the notion of "it's someone elses problem, not mine" is alive and well. And this from a group of guys who've got far less experience than myself, and far more accidents under their belts....

Lack of patience is the single biggest problem on our roads, at least in my opinion...