Gareth Morgan in the Herald on ACC levies for bikers

**Bytor** · 10th July 2012, 10:37

"In fact research we've done at the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council indicates that the risk of serious and expensive injury on a motorcycle is around 45 times higher per person-kilometre travelled as it is for occupants of other vehicles."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10818457

**Tigadee** · 10th July 2012, 10:46

Doesn't that statement support high ACC levies then? That since the risk is higher, then motorbikes should be paying higher ACC than other vehicles?

**Swoop** · 10th July 2012, 11:05

Was just reading that before conming on here.

The comments are entertaining...

**bogan** · 10th July 2012, 11:14

Of course Sir Owen has always seen ACC as part of the social welfare vote not as an insurance scheme.

And that's the heart of the matter, which has apparently been decided to move to the later while we were watching something else.

Though considering it's Sir Owen, and Mr Gareth, I know which one I'd rather listen to

The risk figure is bollocks and irrelevant anyway, nobody pays either insurance or ACC on a per km basis. If you ever needed proof that MOTOTNZ are just an ACC propaganda machine, them running those figures instead of per bike risk provides it.

**Ocean1** · 10th July 2012, 11:17

Returning riders are a greater injury risk?

Don't think so, by far the highest risk category is learners, then anyone under 25.

**Murray** · 10th July 2012, 11:18

Originally Posted by bogan

Though considering it's Sir Owen, and Mr Gareth, I know which one I'd rather listen to

Be assured MR Gareth is working on it

**The Lone Rider** · 10th July 2012, 11:28

Who the fuck is Gareth Morgan, and why should anyone listen to him?

**Swoop** · 10th July 2012, 11:34

Originally Posted by The Lone Rider

Who the fuck is Gareth Morgan, and why should anyone listen to him?

Because he has a big moustache and people with authority have moustaches and odd opinions.
Exhibit A: Policemen.
Exhibit B: Sue Bradford.

**Devil** · 10th July 2012, 11:35

Sound reasonable. I'm all for levy'ing the rider and not the bike. Plus allowances for competence, training and staying accident free.
Although the notion of being personally responsible for your actions i'm sure will scare a few off...

**The Lone Rider** · 10th July 2012, 12:23

Originally Posted by Devil

staying accident free.

No doubt ACC will be using my accident in January to wave around and say "See see.. look how much this costs."

While it might have been a bumper nudge and swearing when in a car, on a bike it was ass to the grass and permanent disability in my right arm.

Nevermind the fact that the driver of the car was ticketed on the spot by the police, for what he did that caused me to crash.

Why should I lose an ACC no claims for an accident that was proven to not have anything to do with me other than I was the victim?

**bogan** · 10th July 2012, 12:30

Originally Posted by The Lone Rider

No doubt ACC will be using my accident in January to wave around and say "See see.. look how much this costs."

While it might have been a bumper nudge and swearing when in a car, on a bike it was ass to the grass and permanent disability in my right arm.

Nevermind the fact that the driver of the car was ticketed on the spot by the police, for what he did that caused me to crash.

Why should I lose an ACC no claims for an accident that was proven to not have anything to do with me other than I was the victim?

and here's where the blocks start to tumble. We have a no fault system when it comes to individual accidents, so why should my premiums go up, when some numpty drove into me? Cue the end of no fault, enter the lawyers and larger overheads.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 10th July 2012, 12:34

Originally Posted by bogan

And that's the heart of the matter, which has apparently been decided to move to the later while we were watching something else.

Though considering it's Sir Owen, and Mr Gareth, I know which one I'd rather listen to

The risk figure is bollocks and irrelevant anyway, nobody pays either insurance or ACC on a per km basis. If you ever needed proof that MOTOTNZ are just an ACC propaganda machine, them running those figures instead of per bike risk provides it.

Its Owen WOODHOUSE NOT OWEN GLENN!

Biiiiiig difference!

**HenryDorsetCase** · 10th July 2012, 12:38

Originally Posted by Gubba

The conclusion I reached, once I got to grips with what was happening in the motorcycling injury scene and what is driving ACC's bills in this area, is that it's pretty obvious that the levy should be charged per rider - say through an annual rider licence renewal fee"

I agree with this.

Make it happen big boy. I've got the chequebook ready to sign. Serious: over 45y.o. riding for years and only ride on sunny sundays pretty much: I reckon my levy will be a shitload less than the squids.