Gareth Morgan in the Herald on ACC levies for bikers

[jellywrestler]

How about we actually read what is written, take it on board,

How about Garth Jones and his posse actually read whats written to them, from Motorcyclists with equal or more experience than them sometimes, take it on board and actually do something with some ideas that they get eh????????????
at the moment we pay $30 per bike for them to do something but don't actually get an voice to suggest things that may help.

[jellywrestler]

1. Retain rego based collection (for ease of implementation and best cost effect and because amongst many other reasons single rider levies don't account for passenger injury costs).

and the fifteen partygoers not wearing seatbelts in a people mover all do pay?????????????

[flyingcrocodile46]

Fuck those blue pills don't last long.

In registering motorcycles in Switzerland a single plate is issued. You can bung it on any machine you own.

Too simple?

Well! fuck you very much. You just killed half of the value I saw in clinging to rationality.

[jellywrestler]

The simple answer is to put it on fuel, but then they couldn't target and shaft particular groups of road users

another loophole for the lycra clad loonies

[Ocean1]

Well! fuck you very much. You just killed half of the value I saw in clinging to rationality.

Just half eh?

[Kickaha]

How about Garth Jones and his posse actually read whats written to them, from Motorcyclists with equal or more experience than them sometimes, take it on board and actually do something with some ideas that they get eh???????????? .

I didn't realise you'd started a stand up comedy routine

[flyingcrocodile46]

and the fifteen partygoers not wearing seatbelts in a people mover all do pay?????????????

I have conceded that there is fairness to the increased levy and that arguments against it are a dead end brick wall for dummies to spend time headbutting. Though I do feel resentment at being expected to believe the distorted half truths they presented with their half assed statistics.

I see potential to achieve a way of recognition for the unfairness and lack of logic in penalising multi bike owners and that some riders riding practices warrant a rebate as does the participation in changing our individual attitudes through better rider training.

Just half eh?

I am about to take something to sort that out, but at the moment I still see value in the rational of providing incentive for people to help themselves and others by taking advantage/participating in improving attitudes and survial kills by development of practical riding skill training and risk management. That is the sort of thing that MotNZ should be advancing as it above anything else (barring the banning of bikes) will have a direct and measurable effect in reducing accident injury costs to ACC (which is all they are there to do).

It ain't rocket science, just common sense.

[Voltaire]

Isn't the simple answer to most shortcomings something along these lines;

1. Retain rego based collection (for ease of implementation and best cost effect and because amongst many other reasons single rider levies don't account for passenger injury costs).

2. Establish a register system by which owners of multiple bikes (who don't loan or hire them out) pay only a single annual Multi bike ACC levy with a time clock that only runs when at least one of the owned bike regos is live. This would involve an initial set up cost and ongoing administration cost in excess of the current system which could be covered by a multi bike account admin fee (per bike) and time clock admin fees to switch the clock off on rainy days and back on when the sun shines.

3. Establish appropriate criteria for and tender out rider and driver training, safety and first aid courses of four or five categories with tough assessment criteria and score based 0 to 10 assessment results (rather than pass or fail). Make the certificates valid for a maximum of three years.

4. Provide levy discount of 1% for every currently certified point achieved through participation in the recognised training courses. With a cap of 50%.

That's my rational moment for the day.

Your preaching to the choir

[flyingcrocodile46]

Your preaching to the choir

A minister has to do something to kill time between games of pin the tail on the choirboy

[scumdog]

How about Garth Jones and his posse actually read whats written to them, from Motorcyclists with equal or more experience than them sometimes, take it on board and actually do something with some ideas that they get eh????????????
at the moment we pay $30 per bike for them to do something but don't actually get an voice to suggest things that may help.

They probably DO read all those 'good ideas', from each experienced rider.

Only it must be like reading a giant shopping list from the Tower of Babel...

[jellywrestler]

They probably DO read all those 'good ideas', from each experienced rider.

Only it must be like reading a giant shopping list from the Tower of Babel...

Maybe it is like the shopping list but you'd think a group like this would at least have a method of notifying the people who submitted stuff, and also their minutes were open to the public; like the advertising standards authority etc

[Scuba_Steve]

They probably DO read all those 'good ideas', from each experienced rider.

you're sounding awfully optimistic there SD, meet your quota early today did you???

[scumdog]

you're sounding awfully optimistic there SD, meet your quota early today did you???

Yup, and did it all from home...

[avgas]

They probably DO read all those 'good ideas', from each experienced rider.

Only it must be like reading a giant shopping list from the Tower of Babel...

Doubt very much that skilled/experience riders want anything changed at all. Experienced riders know what to expect and plan accordingly.
Any rider that has any suggestion for MotoNZ apart from "Fuck off" or "give me back my money"...........shows a lack of ability to comprehend things around them (including other riders).........aka experience.

Experience has shown me that making the roads safer, making drivers more aware, creating training courses etc etc............generally does not improve the road toll.

[idb]

Doubt very much that skilled/experience riders want anything changed at all. Experienced riders know what to expect and plan accordingly.
Any rider that has any suggestion for MotoNZ apart from "Fuck off" or "give me back my money"...........shows a lack of ability to comprehend things around them (including other riders).........aka experience.

Experience has shown me that making the roads safer, making drivers more aware, creating training courses etc etc............generally does not improve the road toll.

Well, I beg to differ if you'll allow me esteemed sir.
I'd quite like my multiple registrations to be cheaper.