Christchurch crash facts

[HenryDorsetCase]

Моё судно на воздушной подушке полно угрей

[Ender EnZed]

So, the Chur Chur motorcycle Popos will be targeting crap driving on the city streets during the peaks, and using a laser to keep speeds down on the Akaroa road at the weekends.

Any comments on that?

What have they been doing before this change?

[oneofsix]

What have they been doing before this change?

Eating donuts, drinking Chardonnay and learning Russian.

[Berries]

Funnily enough - I think thats actually pretty interesting.

In town motorcyclists are vulnerable to being hit by other traffic (be interesting to break that down more to see how many incidents coincided with filtering at the time). But on the open road its mostly speed / loss of control.

This is surely the sort of stuff the motorcycle safety council should be aware of. Targetted training that address this would be good.

Interesting, but stating the obvious. Isn't it? In town the majority of crashes are at intersections because you have conflict between two vehicles. In rural areas you still have issues at intersections but there are longer stretches in between, some of them with curves, and people tend to fall off them.

If you were looking at training then in urban areas it has to be defensive riding, in rural areas awareness of the road, the conditions and your riding. If you were looking at enforcement you'd sit at a signalised intersection and bust people for running red lights all day and in rural areas sit on a long straight with the laser. And eat donuts.

[rastuscat]

Speed things is a waste of time I would have thought as presumably most of the Akaroa GP crashes are on the curvy bits at under legal limit anyway.

I'd say target video camera shots sitting on the hill by a known blackspot and watch behaviour - disregard for yellow lines, passing towards oncoming traffic and all that "dangerous" stuff. On that road too many bikers lean hard going into corners hanging over the centre line or crossing it, then get the holy shit feeling when someone comes the other way - they try and swerve out the way and end up going off the edge of the road etc etc. They won't be doing 100 at the time though on those tight curves.

Remember this thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...=diavel+akaroa

Okay Merv, I'll send the guys out with a laser and a video camera. Hadn't thought of that.

[yod]

Eating donuts, drinking Chardonnay and learning Russian.

10 effing chars

[rastuscat]

Eating donuts, drinking Chardonnay and learning Russian.

Мое судно на воздушной подушке нагрузки угрей только пролитый на проезжую часть. Я лучший очистить их, прежде чем некоторые бедные мотоциклист скользит по ним.

http://translate.google.com/#en|ru|M...s%20on%20them.

[Edbear]

Interesting to know the stats on actual speeds at accidents. How many are injured or killed at high speeds compared to those travelling under the speed limit?

I agree too many riders are overestimating their ability and crashing at high speed and have little sympathy for anyone caught and ticketed but my observations in over 40 years on the roads are that the general populace are less skilled and have difficulty in travelling within 20km/h of the limits.

[rastuscat]

What have they been doing before this change?

Traffic lights, cellphones, seatbelts, escorting sports events, VIP tours, stop signs.

And eating donuts.

[Edbear]

Okay Merv, I'll send the guys out with a laser and a video camera. Hadn't thought of that.

Would make great TV like Motorway Patrol but call it Akaroa Patrol. Look how popular MP and 10-7 and that trucking camera programmes are.

Post your vids on KB for international exposure...

[oneofsix]

Would make great TV like Motorway Patrol but call it Akaroa Patrol. Look how popular MP and 10-7 and that trucking camera programmes are.

Post your vids on KB for international exposure...

I was thinking more like the Mullholand Dr vids on you-tube. Special edition just for KB

[rastuscat]

Interesting to know the stats on actual speeds at accidents. How many are injured or killed at high speeds compared to those travelling under the speed limit?

I agree too many riders are overestimating their ability and crashing at high speed and have little sympathy for anyone caught and ticketed but my observations in over 40 years on the roads are that the general populace are less skilled and have difficulty in travelling within 20km/h of the limits.

Its not possible to be exactly where a future crash will happen in order to slow down the participants and reduce the kinetic energy dissipated in the impact.

It is possible to use high profile enforcement and publicity to increase the perception of the likelihood of detection, and reduce the occurrence of speed in excess of that appropriate to the prevailing conditions.

[rastuscat]

I was thinking more like the Mullholand Dr vids on you-tube. Special edition just for KB

A name for it?

Cooptown Cockups?

[oneofsix]

A name for it?

Cooptown Cockups?

I guess that name is local knowledge dependant and I haven't yet had the pleasure. I was thinking Chardonnay shenanigans with Akaroa have a French influence.

[Edbear]

Its not possible to be exactly where a future crash will happen in order to slow down the participants and reduce the kinetic energy dissipated in the impact.

It is possible to use high profile enforcement and publicity to increase the perception of the likelihood of detection, and reduce the occurrence of speed in excess of that appropriate to the prevailing conditions.

What are your observations from accidents as to the proportion of those where speed inappropriate for the conditions compares with pure incompetence at any speed?

Certainly a biker travelling in excess of 130km/h is several times more likely to crash but Nana Beryl and most younger immigrant drivers are frightening to watch at any speed...