Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[Jantar]

Perhaps we should take a leaf out of aviation's book and have a "no blame" stance on investigating accidents - particularly non or minor injury accidents...or should that be "investigating accidents without a view to prosecuting the fuck out of everybody", which seems to have become the norm these days.
Perhaps, then, people would not be so ...."shy" about reporting same.

Maybe i should have read the rest of the thread before making my previous post.

[scumdog]

When there is a philosophy that every incident or breach must result in a penalty then they will not be reported if not absolutely neccessary.

Not always a penalty from me - but I encourage reporting so roads can be changed, had a couple of wins around here with re-alignment, road-resurfacing, street blocked off etc. due to crashes being reported at these locations.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not always a penalty from me - but I encourage reporting so roads can be changed, had a couple of wins around here with re-alignment, road-resurfacing, street blocked off etc. due to crashes being reported at these locations.

I had a very interesting discussion with a very senior pleecemin* recently, about stats for where shit happens and "black spots". People do take that shit seriously. By people I mean the people who design roads and intersections and decide what sort of controls should be in place.

*and a scholar and gentleman

[Ocean1]

Perhaps we should take a leaf out of aviation's book and have a "no blame" stance on investigating accidents - particularly non or minor injury accidents...or should that be "investigating accidents without a view to prosecuting the fuck out of everybody", which seems to have become the norm these days.
Perhaps, then, people would not be so ...."shy" about reporting same.

Maybe road users need a system live the aviation industry uses. All incidents and aviation law breaches are reported, but self reported incidents NEVER result in prosecution of the pilot if the pilot learnt something from the incident. The incidents are made available (without names) for other pilots tp learn from as well. The result is far fewer incidents occuring and aviation becomes safer for everyone.

When there is a philosophy that every incident or breach must result in a penalty then they will not be reported if not absolutely neccessary.

Maybe i should have read the rest of the thread before making my previous post.

Heh. A wee story for those who have ever wandered what it costs to blame someone.

There was a US farmer who owned a Piper... Cub (iirc), which he stored in a barn over winter. One winter the barn was half full of hay and there wasn't room, so he unbolted the wings and tied them to the ceiling joists.

Come springtime he rolled out the airframe and got the wings down, but couldn't find the bolts. They were specials, just the correct length to match the captive nuts in the wings. Being an enterprising chap he went down the the local hardware shop and bought some new ones, bolted the aircraft back together and took off. Briefly.

Long story short: Piper were found guilty of having manufactured an aircraft in which it was possible to fit sub-standard fasteners.

The Piper Aircraft company's last Cub rolled off the production line a couple of years later with a price tag composed of 55% liability contingency. The cost of the blame game.

[Milts]

Heh. A wee story for those who have ever wandered what it costs to blame someone.

There was a US farmer who owned a Piper... Cub (iirc), which he stored in a barn over winter. One winter the barn was half full of hay and there wasn't room, so he unbolted the wings and tied them to the ceiling joists.

Come springtime he rolled out the airframe and got the wings down, but couldn't find the bolts. They were specials, just the correct length to match the captive nuts in the wings. Being an enterprising chap he went down the the local hardware shop and bought some new ones, bolted the aircraft back together and took off. Briefly.

Long story short: Piper were found guilty of having manufactured an aircraft in which it was possible to fit sub-standard fasteners.

The Piper Aircraft company's last Cub rolled off the production line a couple of years later with a price tag composed of 55% liability contingency. The cost of the blame game.

Any idea which year or state? Pretty sure this is bullshit. I couldn't find anything with a range of google searches or in Wikipedia.

I've also run a few searches in the NTSB aviation accident database, which records all accidents and selected incidents in the USA, it's territories, and international waters. I couldn't find single engine or Piper crash which resembled that described above.

Unless you mean this case, in which Piper were found not guilty, and which has similarities to the above story but is clearly different: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=4082,2255649

Calling bullshit on this one.

[dangerous]

bla bla... LOL back to sorting 75, nothing wrong with the road, so must be the user, whats the percentage re: lone biker and biker Vs cage?
and what we gona do bout it? Rustas is doing his best...

[Oakie]

bla bla... LOL back to sorting 75, nothing wrong with the road, so must be the user, whats the percentage re: lone biker and biker Vs cage?
and what we gona do bout it? Rustas is doing his best...

Well I probably haven't done that road on the bike more than three times in the last four years and it's not because the road scares me ... it's great. What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers). Dammit though ... I want to head back to Little River for more of the ginger slice they sell at the shop there.

[Drew]

What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers).

Why don't those of us who like to travel a bit faster go to the track, at whatever exact moment we get the urge to ride aye?!

[Motobutch]

Any idea which year or state? Pretty sure this is bullshit. I couldn't find anything with a range of google searches or in Wikipedia.

I've also run a few searches in the NTSB aviation accident database, which records all accidents and selected incidents in the USA, it's territories, and international waters. I couldn't find single engine or Piper crash which resembled that described above.

Unless you mean this case, in which Piper were found not guilty, and which has similarities to the above story but is clearly different: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=4082,2255649

Calling bullshit on this one.

I heard a similar story regarding Cessna and the number of fuel tank drains on the new 172's. Apparently someone parked a 172 on a slope overnight in a rainstorm, and because of the slope the water that leaked into the fuel tank pooled in the corners away from the drains. The dude had an engine failure airborne and sued them over it and won. Now there's 5 sump drains per wing. Litigation - 1. Common sense - 0

[Ocean1]

Any idea which year or state? Pretty sure this is bullshit. I couldn't find anything with a range of google searches or in Wikipedia.

That's all I've got, mate, and that just verbally, but from an industry source I trust.

[FJRider]

Not always a penalty from me - but I encourage reporting so roads can be changed, had a couple of wins around here with re-alignment, road-resurfacing, street blocked off etc. due to crashes being reported at these locations.

Around here ... the powers that be just slap a lower speed limit on it ... and shout (loudly) ... fixed ... !!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well I probably haven't done that road on the bike more than three times in the last four years and it's not because the road scares me ... it's great. What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers). Dammit though ... I want to head back to Little River for more of the ginger slice they sell at the shop there.

Just stay away from it between Saturday 10am and say 5pm and Sunday same times. If I am going all the way (oooh err) I try and leave early. But my 8.30am gym thing on saturday kind of fucks that up.

or weekday afternoons though you have to be a bit careful: few more trucks about. But we're all careful on that road all the time, right?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why don't those of us who like to travel a bit faster go to the track, at whatever exact moment we get the urge to ride aye?!

with the right mental attitude, every road's a racetrack, son.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well I probably haven't done that road on the bike more than three times in the last four years and it's not because the road scares me ... it's great. What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers). Dammit though ... I want to head back to Little River for more of the ginger slice they sell at the shop there.

The coffee's good, and they have these little truffle things that are good. also the scones. mmmm scones. cheeeeeese scones.

[ellipsis]

...if you can afford the truffles at the LR shop, ya got too much expendable income...what the fucks a truffle anyway, dont you need a pig to snort round in the ground for those things...there are no truffle snufflers on SH75...they all got bowled ...