Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[Dave-]

Sooooo, you used to be cool?

Fuck I use to be king of the roost, even D wanted to come on my rides and wave his cock around. I use to have to put him in his place a bit though so it got tedious having him around.

Then I went racing and got schooled in cool.

[Bassmatt]

I do say that. The tollerence plays on peoples mind, and everyone tries to sit right at it as the limit.

100kph is the open road speed limit. That is the law. It is not hard for even the stupidest cunts to understand. But just to muddy it up, we'll let you go a bit over. FUCKED!

Sitting on 100k's is easy, should the unthinkable happen and it creeps up a couple, then Mr Plod might just waggle a finger at you and carry on his merry way. For Mr Plods dumb fuckin boss to say. "Mr plod will let you away with (insert arbitrary number here)kph", makes the "limit" a "guideline", and retards the country over will abuse it.

I have to agree. As far as I am concerned the open road speed limit is 110kph. In fact the last speeding ticket I recieved was for doing 111kph in a 100 zone - the nice popo kindly informed me if I had been doing 110kph he would not have stopped me.

[oneofsix]

I do say that. The tollerence plays on peoples mind, and everyone tries to sit right at it as the limit.

100kph is the open road speed limit. That is the law. It is not hard for even the stupidest cunts to understand. But just to muddy it up, we'll let you go a bit over. FUCKED!

Sitting on 100k's is easy, should the unthinkable happen and it creeps up a couple, then Mr Plod might just waggle a finger at you and carry on his merry way. For Mr Plods dumb fuckin boss to say. "Mr plod will let you away with (insert arbitrary number here)kph", makes the "limit" a "guideline", and retards the country over will abuse it.

There is no argument against what I have just said. That someone might think paying fines for breaking the law is a cash grab, stop speeding to really 'stick it to the man'!

I ask about the budget, is because if you think about it they are breaking the law by entrapping us. They require the money to keep the country afloat, but they have made the laws that are being infringed to gather the funds. And round and round we go.

It's a clear conflict of interest, and if it's not illegal, it's sure as fuckin hell unethical!

the speed limit is a guideline regardless of tolerance or not as you only have an estimate of your speed to go by. You mention entrapment but isn't being aware of what you are doing even as important and the fact that your speedos are checked or required to be exact also has to be part of the entrapment. True ignorance of the law is no excuse but not being able to judge if you have crossed the line due to limits outside your control? Travelling below the limit is also a problem but if your speedo says you are at the limit when you aren't what are you to do? Personally I have worked out what my speedo reads when I am travelling at about 100 kph however I am also aware that the speedo doesn't always vary by the same amount. This is one reason I think the tolerance is stupid, then there is the watching the speedo instead of the road etc see that every morning down the gorge past one of NZs biggest stealing stationary cameras, talk about crap driving due to the presence of a camera.

[rossirep]

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I drive a mx5 around these days (seriously great hairdressers car) .

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah nuff said.. hahahahahahahahaha

[Akzle]

Been driving since 1968 (boy, am I getting tired...) and had one speeding ticket - sometimes driving/riding like a nana pays.

riding like a nana (bitch) since '68.

fuck that.

No of course not dumbass, I'm mocking you with an equally as wild claim as your own.

So yes, although we did have 1 long weekend where no one died, and yes we did have 1 shorter long weekend where 8 people died, the average will reflect this and in the long run I think you'll see it trending downwards.

what wild claim was that? sounded like you were just mouthing off from here...

it IS trending downwards. fatal car crashes in general are trending downwards.

...know why?

(hint: it is not cops)( cop numbers are trending upwards)( so is the rate at which i feel the need to masturbate about just how good i am.)(also trending up is the number of vehicles on the road...)

(hint 2: 80 % of fatal crashes happen below the speed limit, statistically, i'm safer if i'm speeding )

[dangerous]

Fuck I use to be king of the roost, even D wanted to come on my rides and wave his cock around. I use to have to put him in his place a bit though so it got tedious having him around.
Then I went racing and got schooled in cool.

LMFAO... dave I gota spread rep man... LOL

I drive a mx5 around these days (seriously great car) and race a newer r6 on the track.

Ya know... its funny you say that... I always thought there was something gay bout you man...

Been driving since 1968 (boy, am I getting tired...) and had one speeding ticket - sometimes driving/riding like a nana pays.

and some times riding with me... at some what well over the limit... you bad bastard piglet, whats ya secrete? (non red bike right, once I was done 5 times in 4 weeks, go figger?

Pah: softie. if you were w a true Devils advocate you would say "The limit is the limit. there is no tolerance".

yeah... thats what I dont get... as below

The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing

Ya right aye whitey, and when some say it has like after the 0 death weekend, fuck sake 5k tolerance had nothing to do with it none would a died that weekend with or wih out...

heres why... I hit the road last sunday, kept the speed down knowing the 5k bullshit thing... then after a beer I figered Id do my usual 120k cruse, why... cos 5k t or not I would get pulled for 120 reguardless so why not enjoy the ride if nicked wont cost me any more that if it was a 15k t, fucked if ya think bout it... hit 220 on the way home, why you ask cos the fine is no worse that if Im done at 141kph.

riding like a nana (bitch) since '68.

green really fucks me off knob rot actually mate, I ride with piglet SD and not once have we done a ride legal... so shows you know SFA about shit... so piss off back to SA... heheheheeeeeeeeeeeeee (incert kiss icon)

[Dave-]

what wild claim was that? sounded like you were just mouthing off from here...

it IS trending downwards. fatal car crashes in general are trending downwards.

...know why?

(hint: it is not cops)( cop numbers are trending upwards)( so is the rate at which i feel the need to masturbate about just how good i am.)(also trending up is the number of vehicles on the road...)

(hint 2: 80 % of fatal crashes happen below the speed limit, statistically, i'm safer if i'm speeding )

So fatal car crashes are trending downwards, and cop numbers are trending upwards?

So as we add more cops, the fatal crashes go down? that would be a good thing right? so we should keep adding more police? and you cannot see a correlation here?....yet down there you say "your existence in uniform has not reduced crime, has not reduced road fatalities" so now you're contradicting yourself?

We have a word for people like you, you've probably heard your nurse explain it to people when she's in public with you and you're dribbling a bit....

You also make wild claims like the one below, and your one about 80% of fatal accidents, without posting a source for your information I have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth or making it up.

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your existence in uniform has not reduced crime, has not reduced road fatalities, has not improved the quality of anyone's life. has not reduced drink driving incidence, has not reduced serious harm, has not reduced family violence, has not reduced organised crime (in fact, your job IS organised crime)/ unsanctioned gang activity, has not reduced youth suicide, has not reduced teen pregnancy (illegal), has not reduced vandalism, has not reduced alcohol abuse..
so, just how is it you claim to make my community safer, together (implying you somehow work WITH me, rather than being a public servant working FOR me?, or rather, as it is, forcibly claiming authority to tell me how to work FOR you)

[Akzle]

So as we add more cops, the fatal crashes go down? that would be a good thing right? so we should keep adding more police? and you cannot see a correlation here?....yet down there you say "your existence in uniform has not reduced crime, has not reduced road fatalities" so now you're contradicting yourself?

You also make wild claims like the one below, and your one about 80% of fatal accidents, without posting a source for your information I have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth or making it up.

i also mentioned that my tendency to masturbate has increased. so maybe if i sit around jerking off al day there'll be no crashes at all eh?
the price of petrol is trending upward, maybe that stops car crashes
global temperatures are trending upwards, maybe that stops crashes
catastrophic weather events are trending upwards, maybe they stop crashes
labour's popularity is trending upwards, milk solid production on organic farms is trending upwards, growth rates of endemic forest is trending upwards, rate of abortions is trending upwards. getting the point?
(hint: there is no correlation to be drawn between those two facts.)

really, your logic is like saying "because there's more ice cream being produced, it was sunny today."

how 'bout put aside the put-downs and actually bring something sensible to the table, eh? else you just sound like a cock.
plenty of time to spout off, where's that research you promised? then you might not need me to tell you the facts...

[Dave-]

i also mentioned that my tendency to masturbate has increased. so maybe if i sit around jerking off al day there'll be no crashes at all eh?
the price of petrol is trending upward, maybe that stops car crashes
global temperatures are trending upwards, maybe that stops crashes
catastrophic weather events are trending upwards, maybe they stop crashes
labour's popularity is trending upwards, milk solid production on organic farms is trending upwards, growth rates of endemic forest is trending upwards, rate of abortions is trending upwards. getting the point?
(hint: there is no correlation to be drawn between those two facts.)

really, your logic is like saying "because there's more ice cream being produced, it was sunny today."

how 'bout put aside the put-downs and actually bring something sensible to the table, eh? else you just sound like a cock.
plenty of time to spout off, where's that research you promised? then you might not need me to tell you the facts...

I understand correlation and causation, all those things you listed are independent, we do have an empirical check for whether the number of police on the roads rising is related to the number of fatal crashes reducing.

My data will come after the 11th of November, I have 3 more exams and a race meeting to do before I get to that.

[Oakie]

can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?

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Oh, apart from the famous '3 strikes' policy which they were at the sharp end of in New York City:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK121...ps-further.htm
http://www.policeassn.org.nz/newsroo...t-police-works
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...hes-crime-rate
http://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=87309
http://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=97348
http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/n...-rate/1566174/

Of course you can never prove that Police are responsibie for the drops because how do you credit someone for something that didn't happen but there are some real statistics in amongst this lot. Better than some of the figures already plucked from the air in this thread. Feel free to ignore discredit or dismiss these as propaganda but these figures were 10 minutes research so I'm sure there is plenty more like this out there. If just 1% of the decreases claimed are attributable to popo then you are wrong Mr Akzle. Carry on though. I do enjoy your ramblings because they are at least articulate. My daughter used to argue in the same articulate rage that you present ... but she was only 15 or 16 at the time. She grew out of it. You will too.

[huff3r]

(hint 2: 80 % of fatal crashes happen below the speed limit, statistically, i'm safer if i'm speeding )

What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked?

[FJRider]

I understand correlation and causation, all those things you listed are independent, we do have an empirical check for whether the number of police on the roads rising is related to the number of fatal crashes reducing.

My data will come after the 11th of November, I have 3 more exams and a race meeting to do before I get to that.

Interesting reading here ...

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...alinformation/

[Scuba_Steve]

What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked?

I would put slow drivers at around 80-90% of road users. Very few people (maybee 3-4 throughout the day) would exceed or even match my speed

(based on own experience driving a truck 10-12hrs/day 5 days a week)

[Oakie]

What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked?

Yeah. A bit like saying because 40% of accidents are caused by people with alcohol in their blood system that means you should drink because 60% of accidents are caused by people who haven't been drinking. As the quote that has been attributed to many people goes "Torture statistics enough and they'll confess to anything".

[Akzle]

we do have an empirical check for whether the number of police on the roads rising is related to the number of fatal crashes reducing.

i did nae say there are more cops on the roads, just more cops. (mostly in south auckland, how's the crime rate down there?, it's easier to get weed in south auckland than f*ing hamilton, what does that tell you about having more cops... easier weed?)
but nah, i'm highly interested in this empirical check... as i said bro, we're here waiting...

Of course you can never prove that Police are responsibie for the drops because how do you credit someone for something that didn't happen but there are some real statistics in amongst this lot. Better than some of the figures already plucked from the air in this thread. Feel free to ignore discredit or dismiss these as propaganda but these figures were 10 minutes research so I'm sure there is plenty more like this out there. If just 1% of the decreases claimed are attributable to popo then you are wrong Mr Akzle. Carry on though. I do enjoy your ramblings because they are at least articulate. My daughter used to argue in the same articulate rage that you present ... but she was only 15 or 16 at the time. She grew out of it. You will too.

good answer. (however google ≠ "research"), that said, i will discredit it as propoganda, on account of google ≠ "research", and that they're presented by the mainstream media, and your foil deflector beanie doesn't have to be as shiny as mine to know that the mainstream media are either paid for or leaned on by TPTB.
you can prove things that don't happen, usually they're called "controls" i'm sure dave is going to bring some to the table with his thesis on why cops aren't entirely useless.
i fail to believe that it's just me and everyone i've spoken to about it, of 4 million, who don't care for the cops. back in the day, constables were voted for. town constables (it's a public office) could be anyone. i could be a constable (legally it is still a public office, conveniently overlooked, but they're about as public as our "public" "servants" )
fuck. all this talk of public... i'm'a have to get to the public ale house...
so we've gone from having overbearing-dictator-lordy's we chose, to having them chosen for us, we've gone from deciding the rules to being told the rules, and no-one is held to account.
as for your daughter... how old now? i mighta known her...
i can't wait to be 16, then i can legally have sex and stop all this jerking off to keep the road toll down...

What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked?

i'm stroking something... buddy.
but you've hit it (and we've had this debate round here a'fore) statistics are all BS, so in my empirical observation, cops don't make a fuck of difference to the darker (no pun intended) parts of society. (and the white crims keep going to the bank on it)