Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[Jantar]

Well explained. Makes sense.

However. Someone fails to take a bend that thousands of others have taken with no problems, is the problem really the bend? Is it the vehicle? ....

You have hit the rationale exactly. The self reporting philosophy encourages people to investigate their own actions. And because there is little to fear from making a correct analysis they have no reason to cover up any of their actions, weaknesses or faillings. As a result of the reporting, police may make a recommendation that the driver receive further instruction in some action of their driving/riding and such instruction to place within a certain time frame. Much like a scheme you instituded yourself in Chrischurch.

In aviation there is another aspect that pilots get examined on: Human factors. Pilots are required to learn how to recognise when they are not in a fit state to fly and to ground themselves, or to recognise when they may not be at pek performance and how to get their mind back on the job etc. A failure in human factors is also a failure to get a licence. This is a big incentive to pass this part of their training. Human factors is also the part where pilots learn not to fear the self reporting scheme.

Bringing a self reporting / no fear mentality into motoring would require a massive shift in philosophy from both the motoring public and the enforcement agnecy (currently police). It couldn't be instituted overnight as too many people already in the system are inbred to mistrust rather than to trust, but over a period of 5 years or so it should be possible.

[FJRider]

Bringing a self reporting / no fear mentality into motoring would require a massive shift in philosophy from both the motoring public and the enforcement agnecy (currently police). It couldn't be instituted overnight as too many people already in the system are inbred to mistrust rather than to trust, but over a period of 5 years or so it should be possible.

I think the higher degree of skill and self discipline ... not to mention the time effort (and money) to get their license to fly ... cannot be compared to the average numpty that runs a red light (for whatever reason) ... in a maybe unregistered/unlicensed vehicle. Or maybe no drivers license either.

In a perfect world it may work. In my view ... that's still a way off yet ....

[rastuscat]

Much like a scheme you instituded yourself in Chrischurch.

Its still happening, though on a very low scale. We found it to be too dependant on the ACC funding, which was cut at the end of June. ECan is doing some now, so we're boxing on with it, but like I said, on a very reduced basis.

Bringing a self reporting / no fear mentality into motoring would require a massive shift in philosophy from both the motoring public and the enforcement agnecy (currently police). It couldn't be instituted overnight as too many people already in the system are inbred to mistrust rather than to trust, but over a period of 5 years or so it should be possible.

I believe that such a shift would be great, but that it would take a lot longer than 5 years.

What shall we do in the meantime? Keep in mind that neither of us are actually able to do anything about it, but happy to have a hypothetical discussion.

That sounds like a cop out () from me but be aware that I've been corresponding with Ministers for 4 years trying to get the fine for not wearing a seatbelt reduced, and having demerits put on that. With no success at all. People in my position have very, very little influence on such things.

[dangerous]

That sounds like a cop out () from me but be aware that I've been corresponding with Ministers for 4 years trying to get the fine for not wearing a seatbelt reduced, and having demerits put on that. With no success at all.

yeah but would that not then push people to end up driving with no licences due to excess demerits?

[oneofsix]

yeah but would that not then push people to end up driving with no licences due to excess demerits?

Same argument applies to any offence with demerits and yet the ministers seem to think applying demerits to a taxation offence will for you into registering your bike. I really, really object to demerits for taxation rather than safety.

[neels]

Yup, dat was us.

Here's my read on it.

We pulled out onto the road just ahead of you, then felt bad about holding you up. It's quite a sad position to be in. We ride at our about the limit, so people feel like they can't overtake us, and we feel like we are holding people up. Obviously we have helmet comms, and we talked about it, and elected to set you free. Then when you got ahead of us, we just tagged on. Impressed with your riding, we just followed your lines, and commented to each other about how comfortable you looked on the damp road. So were we. You were riding the lines we would be, and braking where we would be. I almost wanted to stop you to commend your riding, but then the slow traffic slowed us all down.

The Estima was doing, tops, 75 to 80, where he should have been doing more. The 3 cars ahead of usw were obviously fruistrated,m and that's where bad overtaking comes from. As soon as I got a place to overtake and pull the Estima over. I did so, letting the other cars and yourself get past.

Two your Cherman lads on their OIE, just enjoying the scenery.

It's nice to ride behind a competent rider.

Hoo ra for now, see ya out there this weekend.

Thought I should reply to this, seeing as the nice policeman is saying nice things.

I was tempted to stop at LR and see if it was you, but I didn't have any donut vouchers on me so decided to carry on.

Was just on a cruise home after a night in Akaroa with mrs so you weren't really holding me up, in fact you left me behind on the downhill twisties after the hilltop, trying to avoid helmet banging and ending up with my pillion on top of me.

Was tempted to pass the bunch behind the people mover (I loathe people movers) but there was too much twitching from the cars behind for my liking, so appreciated them being pulled in, even if the others following didn't have a clue what to do about a cop bike with it's lights going in front of them.

Won't see you this weekend, hopefully if I end up talking to any of your comrades on the west coast or through central it's only to compliment me on my riding....

[rastuscat]

Did the SH75 Donut patrol this morning. STarted a bit earlier than usual, have some other Popo stuff to do this arvo.

The highlight was a random duck on the roadside, appearing to be trying to decide whether to cross the road. It occurred to me that he should have consulted a chicken.

Not much else happened. Bugger all bikers, and that was a good thing. There was a Christchurch to Akaroa running race on, and it was stuffing the traffic up at times.

See yaz out there tomorrow, heading out a bit later. I'm due at LR at midday if anyone wants to stop for a chat.

[dangerous]

Did the SH75 Donut patrol this morning. STarted a bit earlier than usual, have some other Popo stuff to do this arvo.

The highlight was a random duck on the roadside, appearing to be trying to decide whether to cross the road. It occurred to me that he should have consulted a chicken.

Not much else happened. Bugger all bikers, and that was a good thing. There was a Christchurch to Akaroa running race on, and it was stuffing the traffic up at times.

See yaz out there tomorrow, heading out a bit later. I'm due at LR at midday if anyone wants to stop for a chat.

yeah well I was in a different direction breaking the law, can kinda see the merits of an adventure bike after today see the canty tag thread... and na wont see me tomorow, unless the phone rings and its beer oclock at the Wheatsheaf in the arvo... my shout

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...a band at the wheaty tomorrow...sunday...

[dangerous]

...a band at the wheaty tomorrow...sunday...

see ya there then?

[ellipsis]

...wot?...a tired cunt like me...maybe....

[dangerous]

...wot?...a tired cunt like me...maybe....

well... c@#t anyway

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...thanks... good to be kept straight...

[dangerous]

6:30 sunday morning... and I see rastuscat on line, man you must be biting at the bit to get to work LOL, massive frost out this way... me Im up thanks to 2 sprogs *sigh*

[jimichelle]

A mate of mine is a train driver. Bet your ass he was not speeding. If you think the penalties for speeding on a bike are draconian, try losing your livelihood for getting pinged. And if you have any sort of incident. Anything at all, the first thing they do is piss test you.

The amount of people who dont see trains is staggering. sometimes they die.

and sometimes its the train driver who dies after truck didnt see train rip dad