Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[onearmedbandit]

your taking the piss yeah? I wouldnt a thought 2psi cold would make sfa differance, then again at the track were we run 27 on skinny slicks 29 can be a BIG differance...

Yup taking the piss. Now on a race track, at race pace I can understand 2psi making some difference. But on the road, especially at a moderate pace, nah. Sure there wasn't some grit on the corner...

[dangerous]

Yup taking the piss. Now on a race track, at race pace I can understand 2psi making some difference. But on the road, especially at a moderate pace, nah. Sure there wasn't some grit on the corner...

cleaner than a clean thing F

[onearmedbandit]

cleaner than a clean thing F

Was taking the piss about the grit lol. Come on D, suggesting a road crash at moderate speed on the difference between 34 and 36psi is a bit far fetched. Fuck I've ridden fast'ish rides with up to 6-8psi less than my normal and made it back home safe'n'sound.

[Berries]

I don't agree with Berries.

WHAT?

A ticket can be excused as just a scam. But if the poppo has been more than reasonable sooner or later, maybe over a beer or coffee a few days later when retelling the story, you have to analysis what was said and can't write the popo off a just a bunch of tax collects. This in turn may mean one of the bikers or their mates steps up to assist the cop in the bar fight or at least doesn't show disrespect.

I think we need to separate out traffic enforcement from 'real' policing. It will be a bad day when people don't go to their aid because someone got pinged for breaking a law they knew all about. Possibly not the thing to say on KB but what the hell. Not dealing with your burglary or assault case might be a different matter, but traffic?

[Ocean1]

Not a loss of concentration because you'd dialled it back a tad perhaps?

Y'know, quite a few people think the same thing...

http://www.investigatemagazine.com/july00speed.htm

[zique]

You have hit the rationale exactly. The self reporting philosophy encourages people to investigate their own actions. And because there is little to fear from making a correct analysis they have no reason to cover up any of their actions, weaknesses or faillings. As a result of the reporting, police may make a recommendation that the driver receive further instruction in some action of their driving/riding and such instruction to place within a certain time frame. Much like a scheme you instituded yourself in Chrischurch.

In aviation there is another aspect that pilots get examined on: Human factors. Pilots are required to learn how to recognise when they are not in a fit state to fly and to ground themselves, or to recognise when they may not be at pek performance and how to get their mind back on the job etc. A failure in human factors is also a failure to get a licence. This is a big incentive to pass this part of their training. Human factors is also the part where pilots learn not to fear the self reporting scheme.

Bringing a self reporting / no fear mentality into motoring would require a massive shift in philosophy from both the motoring public and the enforcement agnecy (currently police). It couldn't be instituted overnight as too many people already in the system are inbred to mistrust rather than to trust, but over a period of 5 years or so it should be possible.

I seem to remember an investigative article a few years ago,shockingly,that most pilots do not report near misses!So somehow they are trained and drilled to do self-reporting etc,many still don't do it.I wonder why!

[merv]

Dangerous, was this a reportable injury accident you had or what?

[Drew]

Not a loss of concentration because you'd dialled it back a tad perhaps?

Y'know, quite a few people think the same thing...

http://www.investigatemagazine.com/july00speed.htm

I can site two times that I've had a brain fart, for not going fast enough. What most people think is that it's an excuse though. It isn't, I screwed up both times, inattension kills.

[dangerous]

Dangerous, was this a reportable injury accident you had or what?

NO... do you need to report when ya bike falls of the side stand? Im fine, no one round for miles, private closed road bla de bla.
I fully know posting such will just get me shit here, but I did cos not all crashs happen due to non leagle bikes, speeding and what ever else RC is targeting in order to keep the toll down on 75, I however am not against what he is doing.

Was taking the piss about the grit lol. Come on D, suggesting a road crash at moderate speed on the difference between 34 and 36psi is a bit far fetched. Fuck I've ridden fast'ish rides with up to 6-8psi less than my normal and made it back home safe'n'sound.

mate... like in my post explaining the situation, Im fucked if I know what went wrong, everything was correct, me the road the weather alll mint, act off god I dont fucking know and you taking the piss dont help you know me better than that, I fucked up I got out of bed that day. As for tyre pressure... inconjunction with a 5yr old tyre well worn... you still dont think its relervant?

This from a police man we all know well round here "Fark, if YOU can arse up while riding 'normally' then what hope do I have!!

[Drew]

NO... do you need to report when ya bike falls of the side stand? Im fine, no one round for miles, private closed road bla de bla.
I fully know posting such will just get me shit here, but I did cos not all crashs happen due to non leagle bikes, speeding and what ever else RC is targeting in order to keep the toll down on 75, I however am not against what he is doing.




mate... like in my post explaining the situation, Im fucked if I know what went wrong, everything was correct, me the road the weather alll mint, act off god I dont fucking know and you taking the piss dont help you know me better than that, I fucked up I got out of bed that day.

This from a police man we all know well round here "Fark, if YOU can arse up while riding 'normally' then what hope do I have!!

You're getting a bit defensive here man, do ya need a hug?

[thepom]

Passed three cop cars and I assume was rastuscat on way to the hilltop sunday and my valentine never picked up any radar........maybe its broke....

[Jantar]

I seem to remember an investigative article a few years ago,shockingly,that most pilots do not report near misses!So somehow they are trained and drilled to do self-reporting etc,many still don't do it.I wonder why!

I am not aware of any such report since the self reporting system came in. However if there is a near miss and one of the pilots is aware of it and doesn't report it then it is likely he would be investigated and prosecuted.

Near miss, in aviation, is a very subjective term. 40 gliders thermalling in a gaggle with wings crossing over each other and pilot's heads swivelling so fast it,s like they are on a turntable is a potentially dangerous situation, yet as long as the pilots follw the rules mid air collisions are very rare and this isn't a near miss. A light aircraft entering a circuit in a standard overhead rejoin may pass 500 feet above another aircraft already in the circuit. As long as the pilot doesn't descend to circuit height before being in the correct position then this also isn't a near miss. Any small aircraft being sighted by a airline pilot within 5 NM is a near miss to the airline pilot, but not to the pilot of the light aircraft.

I once reported a near miss with a skyhawk in 1988. I was instructing a student in the circuit of a back country airstrip (not a licenced airfield) at an altitude of 500' agl when a skyhawk passed underneath us. I didn't see him until he was almost directly below us, he hasn't seen us yet, so of course didn't self report. Being a wood and fabric glider we didn't show up on his radar.

[phill-k]

178! Fucked if I'd have stopped!

Can't believe you stepped out in front of him, I have a good mind to report you to the department of labour. Your safety is the most important part of your job, how do you get away with stepping in front of certain death, when you get a warning for going in public without your stab proof vest.

Ya silly bugger he was wearing a high vis safety vest, nothing could possibly happen to him

[dangerous]

You're getting a bit defensive here man, do ya need a hug?

bring it on.. hey you know how it is, thread going the KB way, if I was worried bout that I would kept my mouth shut, piss's me all the same just did the exact math and 27yrs since I last sat on my arse, maybe Im getting to bloody old... you will learn one that one day

[rastuscat]

Ya silly bugger he was wearing a high vis safety vest, nothing could possibly happen to him

I've got the video he took. I havent worked out a way to post it without identifying him. Soon as I do you'll see that I took no risks.

Anyone got a 12 year old I can borrow to show me how to edit a video?