Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[Akzle]

There's actually quite a lot of good cops...

statistically it's possible, i maintain that the MAJORITY are not "nice cops" (are, infact, dicks)

Can you please post up some links that provide proof for everything you've just quoted

And your figures to prove that the level of crimes of all the types you mentioned have not got worse because there are no police there?? (Like in a similar society to NZ but where there are NO cops)

just it, innit. there is no control to compare it to. what i CAN compare it to, is say, 1000 years ago, when there was some kind of over-bearing-dictate-and-enforce kind of arrangement, crime? check. now, today. crime? check.
so. must be working eh?
or you can take a shorter view on it. say the last 100 years, or even the last week.
what's fucken changed? people still saying "i want cops because i FEAR CRIME" chicken and egg shit or no? cops exist, have for (nearly) time immemorial, crime exists, has since the time of eve, innit?
people know that cops exist, people know that legislation exists that says they shouldn't drink-drive, hit kids, "speed" etc, but all this shit carrys on.
so. wtf the point in the cops?
can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?

Nice one Akzle.

Even I would ride faster everywhere if I knew for sure that there were no Popos about. The perception of apprehension is a basic fundamental tenet of deterrent theory.

Course, I should just shut up. You know everything. Just like my 14 year old son.

so you conceed that speed is not dangerous, that you feel safe and competent to travel faster. yet you monetarily and forcibly penalise people who travel faster than your boss dictates. i see how that makes the community safer.

really, your 14 year old son has his eyes open to the BS that is your job? there is hope yet. probably his generation that will see your one hung. he might string you up first, just to prove the point....

[Akzle]

What load of tripe! How in hell can you ever substantiate wild claims such as these. What a dreamer you have become in your own littlle world whilst trying to give some sort credence to your beliefs.

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Nice one Akzle....
Course, I should just shut up...

easier just to dismiss it than try justifying your own position eh?

[scumdog]

just it, innit. there is no control to compare it to. what i CAN compare it to, is say, 1000 years ago, when there was some kind of over-bearing-dictate-and-enforce kind of arrangement, crime? check. now, today. crime? check.
so. must be working eh?
or you can take a shorter view on it. say the last 100 years, or even the last week.
what's fucken changed? people still saying "i want cops because i FEAR CRIME" chicken and egg shit or no? cops exist, have for (nearly) time immemorial, crime exists, has since the time of eve, innit?
people know that cops exist, people know that legislation exists that says they shouldn't drink-drive, hit kids, "speed" etc, but all this shit carrys on.
so. wtf the point in the cops?
can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?


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Waffle-waffle-wa-wa-wa-ad infinitum, ad neasuseum...

I saw that on coming miles away - you're so predictable!

Oh, and no second prizes sonny, no second prizes...

[rastuscat]

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easier just to dismiss it than try justifying your own position eh?

I feel as if I've outlined my views on enforcement often enough. So have you. Nothing says we have to agree, and I like that.

I've given up arguing with my 14 year old too.

[dangerous]

I rode 75 yesterday, was a nice we jount, even rode a brand new 1050R that replaced the priller I hiffed away, enjoyed a beer in the sun... fuck me SD n RC, green is envy some how I think some one is envious of us kiwi's... as for today, very wet just like several of the more recent posts... non ite

[Akzle]

Waffle-waffle-wa-wa-wa-ad infinitum, ad neasuseum...

I saw that on coming miles away - you're so predictable!

Oh, and no second prizes sonny, no second prizes...

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easier just to dismiss it than try justifying your own position eh?

back to the hooch, scum puppy.
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[Kickaha]

can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?

No I can't but unlike you I haven't made any claims either way

[Dave-]

can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?

Actually I can, it'll take me a few days to gather data and run the calcs but yes I can.

I have to get through exams first though.

[Drew]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

[oneofsix]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

changing tact as in abbreviated changing tactics ok just being an silly, it is changing tack as in changing direction with regards to the wind in sailing (they don't even have motors )

You just have to obey, belief is optional

They are banking on Kiwis speeding as a continued revenue stream and don't have to do anything to actually stop it as they know it isn't related to real road safety but makes a good strawman.

[Dave-]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

Has that been going long enough to draw a conclusion?

Didn't we have like 0 deaths at easter or something?

[oneofsix]

Has that been going long enough to draw a conclusion?

Didn't we have like 0 deaths at easter or something?

The Govt drew the conclusion that lowering the tolerance had worked after that Easter you refer to, this just proves what everyone else warned. The tolerance is

[HenryDorsetCase]

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I would suggest that it would be up to you to show that a society bereft of the social control mechanisms which you abhor would be better in any way than the admittedly imperfect society we have now.

What would be the outcome? I put it to you that people are fundamentally not that pleasant, and that within five years there would be a dystopian Mad Max style society (or perhaps something along the lines of Carpenter's "Escape from New York"): some sort of dog eat dog, mob rule, violent surreal dystopia. Not the anarcho-socialist paradise of your dreams. People are not nice. And if they can exploit, or steal or rape or kill without fear of consequence, I put it to you that that is what they will do.

thoughts?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

Pah: softie. if you were w a true Devils advocate you would say "The limit is the limit. there is no tolerance".

[HenryDorsetCase]

Has that been going long enough to draw a conclusion?

Didn't we have like 0 deaths at easter or something?

and yet at a shorter llong weekend just passed there were what, 8? What say you about "tolerance" now?

In fact, I think all vehicles should be electronically governed so that they cannot exceed 100kph, and that if you do, satellites armed with lasers should be programmed to shoot you from orbit.