My first late model 1000cc bike ride

[TonyB]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!

Ask Dangerous- he is very impressed with the bottom end on 30UTD's K4. Even a 98 R1 has enough go to easily lift the front wheel from low revs in first. When it was running right, in top gear at 70km/h my 89 FZR1000 could
match the acceleration of an auto VT SS hard on the gas and kicked down. By the time we hit 80k's I could just ride around the SS.

I wonder if part of the feeling of acceleration froma V-twin comes from the noise and viabrations? Thats what I thought when I rode an 02 Aprilia RSV1000.

[WINJA]

I've only ridden one V-Twin, a VFR800, and I reckon all that extra noise and vibration they make gives a false impression about their power. I'd like to ride the SV1000, TL1000R, VTR1000SP to make my own personal comparison & conclusion.

Sounds like the fours are reputably faster by the responses you've had to your comment, how many late model thous have you ever ridden Dave?

VFR800 IS VEE FOUR 800 , VTR1000 IS VEE TWIN 1000

[Zed]

VFR800 IS VEE FOUR 800 , VTR1000 IS VEE TWIN 1000

Ooops my bad!

[sAsLEX]

see they are making a r1 go big bang style to get a more v twin type power output in the bsb I think it is, so 1&4 fire then 180 degree later 2&3 fire rater than being spread at each 90

[WINJA]

see they are making a r1 go big bang style to get a more v twin type power output in the bsb I think it is, so 1&4 fire then 180 degree later 2&3 fire rater than being spread at each 90

YEAH BUT LOOK AT THEIR WEATHER HALF THE RACES ARE WET , TWINS AND BIG BANG BIKES ALWAYS FIND TRACTION BETTER IN THE WET AND ON SLIPPERY TRACKS , TRY A VTR 1000 IN THE POURING RAIN ON A TIGHT WET ROAD , ITS THE ONLY THING THAT BIKE DOES WELL

[inlinefour]

Another reson why I'll go the 600cc bike, although not a soooooooooooki

[sAsLEX]

YEAH BUT LOOK AT THEIR WEATHER HALF THE RACES ARE WET , TWINS AND BIG BANG BIKES ALWAYS FIND TRACTION BETTER IN THE WET AND ON SLIPPERY TRACKS , TRY A VTR 1000 IN THE POURING RAIN ON A TIGHT WET ROAD , ITS THE ONLY THING THAT BIKE DOES WELL

i think yourve hit the nail on the head winja. it did mention that due to the power pulses being better spread the tires have chance to regain traction alot better than the standard four setup

[pritch]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin??

I didn't see anyone mention low down or mid-range. The Suzuki, and I suspect all the other 1000cc sports bikes, put out way more torque than any current V twin I can think of. It is higher up the rev band but it's there.

[pritch]

YEAH BUT LOOK AT THEIR WEATHER HALF THE RACES ARE WET , TWINS AND BIG BANG BIKES ALWAYS FIND TRACTION BETTER IN THE WET AND ON SLIPPERY TRACKS

Rossi's Yamaha was the first bike I read about that used this system. The inside cylinders fire together the outside two fire separately. Yamaha weren't saying too much about the firing intervals. Kawasaki must have figured it out because their Moto GP bikes have been converted to big bang too. Now all they need is a Valentino Rossi and they could be competitive too...

The Moto GP bikes make about 250 horses so even dry tracks must be "slippery".

[Pixie]

Rossi's Yamaha was the first bike I read about that used this system. The inside cylinders fire together the outside two fire separately. Yamaha weren't saying too much about the firing intervals. Kawasaki must have figured it out because their Moto GP bikes have been converted to big bang too. Now all they need is a Valentino Rossi and they could be competitive too...

The Moto GP bikes make about 250 horses so even dry tracks must be "slippery".

That's why they sound funny

[Motu]

i think yourve hit the nail on the head winja. it did mention that due to the power pulses being better spread the tires have chance to regain traction alot better than the standard four setup

It's also head games - Bill Wiener used to set up Scott Parker's XR750 as a ''twingle'' for wet tracks,so that the two cyls would fire close together as both came up on TDC.Wiener said it made the same HP but because it felt flatter,Scott Parker would ride the bike harder,making up for his tenancy to back off a bit on wet tracks.A case of the tuner exerting some control over the rider.

[madboy]

Wow you must be special, I only got to ride Bruce's beast for 15 minutes!!

You must all be special... at least you got to ride it

[WINJA]

Rossi's Yamaha was the first bike I read about that used this system. The inside cylinders fire together the outside two fire separately. Yamaha weren't saying too much about the firing intervals. Kawasaki must have figured it out because their Moto GP bikes have been converted to big bang too. Now all they need is a Valentino Rossi and they could be competitive too...

The Moto GP bikes make about 250 horses so even dry tracks must be "slippery".

DOOHAN GOT IT DONE TO HIS NSR500 THEN CHANGED BACK , I THINK THE RC30
WAS THE FIRST PRODUCTION BIKE TO DO IT FOLLOWED BY THE NC30 HENCE THE DRONEING LAZY TYPE SOUND BUT IT IS A STAGGERED FIRING ORDER OPOSED TO TRUE BIG BANG, TONY SCOT DID BIG BANG CONVERIONS IN THE 80S AND HONDA COPIED HIM

[TonyB]

Ah, you guys have just answered my question: I thought the MotoGP bikes must be firing as a ''four cylinder twin" or something- they just don't sound like a four.

[Two Smoker]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!

As its already been said... Im currently riding a TL1000S, and jumping off that onto the Gixxer thou, the thou had heaps more torque...