Torque competition.

**Motu** · 6th August 2005, 21:34

Give me a wet Tshirt contest any day....but carry on guys

**unhingedlizard** · 6th August 2005, 21:48

TDR250 ok its not a vee but its a twin.

About 1.2nm of torque, with BS factor so more like .88nm

**crash harry** · 6th August 2005, 21:50

OK since someone already posted stats for a R3 that they don't have, can I post for a Boss Hoss that I don't have?

Boss Hoss BHC-3 502
502 hp, 567 ft.lb of torque

OK, so it aint a V-twin or a I4...

**k14** · 6th August 2005, 22:00

Well I dont have any dyno runs to prove but I would estimate that my twin puts out about 10-12hp and 2/3's of fuck all, Nm of torque.

**Sensei** · 6th August 2005, 22:25

V-TWINS
999s = 71.4 ft-lbs
RSV Tuono = 72.4 ft-lbs
RC51 = 72.6 ft-lbs
V11 Guzzi = 78.2 ft lbs
XB12R = 77.5 ft lbs
VTR 1000 = 68.3 ft lbs

INLINE 4
CBR1100XX = 83.7 ft lbs
ZX10R =80 ft lbs
R1 = 74.4 ft lbs
CBR1000RR = 75.9 ft lbs
GSXR1000 = 79.8 ft lbs
GSXR1300R = 99.6 ft lbs

Well there you have it . Sure looks like The V-TWINS don't have the Torque as they once did . But didn't need to tell all the GSXR owners that as we all ready KNOW This !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Eurodave** · 6th August 2005, 22:29

Thats me shot down in flames......BUGGER!!

**WINJA** · 6th August 2005, 22:31

Originally Posted by Sensei

V-TWINS
999s = 71.4 ft-lbs
RSV Tuono = 72.4 ft-lbs
RC51 = 72.6 ft-lbs
V11 Guzzi = 78.2 ft lbs
XB12R = 77.5 ft lbs
VTR 1000 = 68.3 ft lbs

INLINE 4
CBR1100XX = 83.7 ft lbs
ZX10R =80 ft lbs
R1 = 74.4 ft lbs
CBR1000RR = 75.9 ft lbs
GSXR1000 = 79.8 ft lbs
GSXR1300R = 99.6 ft lbs

Well there you have it . Sure looks like The V-TWINS don't have the Torque as they once did . But didn't need to tell all the GSXR owners that as we all ready KNOW This !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIND THE CBR1100XX ONE TO BE UNBELIEVABLE , CAUSE ME AND CRAZY STEVE DID ROLL ONS FROM 100 AND FOUND WHEN HES IN 4TH I CAN USE 6TH AND ITS CLOSE , IF HE USES 5TH AND I USE SIXTH HE HAS NO CHANCE

**Sensei** · 6th August 2005, 22:35

[QUOTE=WINJA]FIND THE CBR1100XX ONE TO BE UNBELIEVABLE ,

Thats what they have been tested at Winja . Haven't made these up . Road roll on's can vary alot .

**k14** · 6th August 2005, 22:35

Originally Posted by WINJA

FIND THE CBR1100XX ONE TO BE UNBELIEVABLE , CAUSE ME AND CRAZY STEVE DID ROLL ONS FROM 100 AND FOUND WHEN HES IN 4TH I CAN USE 6TH AND ITS CLOSE , IF HE USES 5TH AND I USE SIXTH HE HAS NO CHANCE

I'd say that the extra 100kg or so that the blackbird has over the gixxer would be the reason there.

**matthewt** · 6th August 2005, 22:38

Where do you get 71.4 for the 999s ??

www.ducati.com lists it as 11.4kgm which equals 82.4 ft-lbs. Provided that's acurate it then beats all the 1000cc inline 4's. Granted the 1100XX and busa have more torque, but as they say "There's no replacement for displacement".

FWIW the MV Agusta 1000-f4 has 80.25 ft-lbs which puts it ahead of the GXSR/R1/ZX10.

**WINJA** · 6th August 2005, 22:41

Originally Posted by k14

I'd say that the extra 100kg or so that the blackbird has over the gixxer would be the reason there.

MAYBE . BUT THE DIFFERENCE WAS TOO BIG ME AND STEVE ARE ABOUT THE SAME WEIGHT AND I THINK THE BIRD IS BETTER IN THE AERODYNAMICS DEPARTMENT. THE DIFFERENCE REALLY SHOWS AT ABOUT 200 THE GIX JUST KILLS IT IN ROLL ONS

**Sensei** · 6th August 2005, 23:01

[QUOTE=matthewt]Where do you get 71.4 for the 999s ??

Same place the other's come from . Dyno test runs .

MV Agusta 1000-f4 has 80.25 ft-lbs .Which is still a Inline-4 .
Not a V-Twin

**speedpro** · 6th August 2005, 23:18

It's torque at the rear wheel at whatever speed you are doing the comparison. That is not the same as torque as measured at the rear wheel which is then used to calculate torque at the engine. The Triumph 3 has lots of torque calculated at the engine at L O W revs. At 100Kmh the engine is not geared down a lot to get the required wheel speed to do 100K so therefore there isn't much torque amplification due to gearing. A 'busa however makes less torque but at higher rpm. It needs to be geared down more for the back wheel to be doing 100kmh and this results in greater torque amplification and could result in more torque actually making it to the pavement at 100kmh.

It's all torque X rpm (=horsepower). Whichever motor is making more horsepower at any road speed, irrespective of how it makes it - torque or rpm, will accelerate the bike quicker if everything else is equal.

I always have a good laugh at claims of high torque, usually at low rpm, enabling a certain vehicle to accelerate quicker than some other vehicle. If that were true we'd all be clamouring for diesels.

Not explained very well but there are many instances where for example a ZX6 will out-accelerate some Hoggly Doggly from just about any speed in any gear which can be explained by gearing and torque amplification.

**matthewt** · 6th August 2005, 23:20

Originally Posted by Sensei

MV Agusta 1000-f4 has 80.25 ft-lbs .Which is still a Inline-4 .
Not a V-Twin

Yer I know. I was including it on the inline-4 side of things. And having owned the 750-f4 I can confirm it's not a v-twin.

Besides this whole thread's a load of old wank anyway. I seriously doubt many people will buy one bike over another because of half a ft-lb or torque. They usually buy based on much more subjective things (brand loyality, looks, or whatever else takes there fancy). I've ridden a 1000-f4 and then today a 996sps. The mv would beat the Duc in straight line speed, I've no doubt about that. The mv also looks better (in my opinion) but I'd still rather own the 996sps, it was just a lot more "fun".