Lights! Action!

[ducatilover]

Siiiimple.
Approach intersection
Hammer rear brake and hop off bike

Trust me, works every time

[Lozza2442]

If there are no vehicles and the phases are changing you can turn when your straight through has a green anyway. Waiting 3 phases law sounds pretty retarded.

Depends on the intersection. Some have red arrows and some just work off the straight ahead light. e.g. the lights I wait at everyday cnr queen and Victoria in akl sometimes doesn't pick me up and so I'll get stuck at a red arrow with cars going straight ahead at a green So I can't go then obviously. Well. I could race them. Nothin like playing chicken with cagers

[sootie]

A way back in the 1980s a biker friend of mine had some troublesome lights near where he lived. If there was no traffic around, he would stop, look each way & then proceed. He was coming home around 3am one morning, did the usual & then discovered the car with a red flashing light waving him over. He tried to explain but got nowhere.

Being Jim, he took the infringment to court & defended himself by simply telling the majistrate the facts. The case was found in his favour, and to add a touch of sweetness, the cop who issued the ticket came up to him as he left and apologised!
Perhaps it was a kinder age .... (but the traffic lights really were rubbish!)

Always come out fighting!

[Tigadee]

Wow this whole time I thought the sensors were weight related.

If that were true, us pie munchers would have no problem at the lights...

[Dave-]

Simple conservation law you're forgetting here guys, energy is neither created nor destroyed only changed.

An inductor works off 2 principles, size and speed, the bigger an object is...the more current it will create, the faster an object is....the more current it will create, so a big truck moving across one of these inductors at 100kph would create more than enough current, a normal sized car entering and stopping on the inductor doesn't have to move very fast cause it has enough mass, but a motorcycle which is very small would have to enter the inductor very fast to create enough current to equal that of a car moving slowly.

So when you sit at the lights on the inductive strip, putting your side stand down etc wont do anything cause you're now still and not creating a current, the reciprocating motion of your engine may create a little, but given this thread exists it's obviously not enough, this conforms to conservation of energy, you're not doing any work anymore, so you shouldn't get a current.

The real solution, and I don't actually recommend it, is to get onto the pad as fast as possible and brake as late as possible, that way you're creating a greater surge of current in the detection circuit.

I have heard guys claim revving their engine helps.

To be honest though I'm not even sure if either of those would create enough current.

I've also heard that lights have priorities too, if a bus of a whacking great big truck passes over the inductor it'll create more current and the lights know to give them priority, then anything less is normal, I'm not sure how true that is though.

The best thing to do would be to get some rare earth magnets and mount them in the belly pan or underneath your bike, maybe even in the rim? or a giant electromagnet! but that would sap a giant amount of energy from your bike....

just get off and press the button.

[sootie]

The best thing to do would be to get some rare earth magnets and mount them in the belly pan or underneath your bike, maybe even in the rim? or a giant electromagnet! but that would sap a giant amount of energy from your bike....

Have a look at: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Lis...member=3021550
The only thing is, you might have to buy a reasonably big magnet and mount it pretty low on your bike to be effective. You might regret the magnetism at service time too!

I still think allowing the car behind to come close solves most of the problem anywhere there is traffic!

[bogan]

Dave and Sootie, just to clarify how they work, they sense the inductance of the loop, the vehicle acts as the inductor core. No vehicle, low inductance, big vehicle, large inductance. Magnetic vehicles are up to fuck all cos the fields don't affect each other. Voltage induced by speed will be very minimal due to the low magnetic field strength (which would induce the voltage in the vehicle anyway), and the sensor looks for a frequency change due to the inductance change. Maybe riding fast into a loop with some huge magnets would induce enough voltage to breifly change the sensed frequency, but they probably just average that shit out anyway.

[Dave-]

Dave and Sootie, just to clarify how they work, they sense the inductance of the loop, the vehicle acts as the inductor core. No vehicle, low inductance, big vehicle, large inductance. Magnetic vehicles are up to fuck all cos the fields don't affect each other. Voltage induced by speed will be very minimal due to the low magnetic field strength (which would induce the voltage in the vehicle anyway), and the sensor looks for a frequency change due to the inductance change. Maybe riding fast into a loop with some huge magnets would induce enough voltage to breifly change the sensed frequency, but they probably just average that shit out anyway.

Oh I see, clever.

so really you want a giant slab of iron in your belly pan?....not a tiny neodymium magnet....damn.

Or metglas!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metglas

[Big Dave]

Just putting the side stand down and resting the bike on it for half a second has worked for me 95% of the time.

[Dave-]

Just putting the side stand down and resting the bike on it for half a second has worked for me 95% of the time.

Out of interest, those who do this, do you sit on the bike while the side stand is down? I realise that's risky given some side stands are wafer thin, but in some cases the side stand and mount should be able to take it easy.

To be honest I think it's just the placebo effect put to good use.

Putting the center stand down ought to work 190% of the time (this is backed up by 2x 95% = 190%) or does it halve the effect? curious....

You could also try holding the clutch in and shifting up through all your gears and then down again, this ought to get you to the ideal 100%

[oneofsix]

Just putting the side stand down and resting the bike on it for half a second has worked for me 95% of the time.

That will cause my engine to cutout

Try this ;
Using vehicle detectors at traffic signals

All intersections with traffic signals have vehicle detectors set in the road surface just before the intersection's white stop lines. When a vehicle is on top of the detector, a ‘message’ is sent to the traffic signal controller to ‘tell it’ you are waiting. Sometimes cycles aren't detected because they are smaller than other vehicles on the road. Here are a few ways to improve your chances of being detected

• If there is traffic around, try to time your arrival at the signals with a larger vehicle that will trigger the detectors for you, or wait for the arrival of a larger vehicle.
• If there is no traffic around, look for the tell tale signs of the detector's location (tar filled saw cuts near the stop lines) and stop your cycle directly over any one of the tar cuts running in the same direction as you are riding.

This advice is for cyclists so given the larger mass of motobikes should work better.

Can't find it now but saw another bit of 'offical' advise to cyclists that advised stopping over the centre cut in the lane as this is where the 2 loops come together and therefore improves the detection of your bike. They may have dropped this as they decided having cyclists in the centre of the lane wasn't a good idea but don't see that motorbikes have the same problem.

[SILVER SUZI]

That advise for cyclists looka as if it might have been dreamed up by some blind ignorant twat who has never even sat on a bicycle. Fuck all works on a bicycle.
Not sure if aluminium will create the inductive field, but I'm guessing carbon fibre won't, and being that most bikes thess days that aren't made of aluminium are made of carbon fibre I don't imagine you'll see too many cyclists waiting for the lights to change.

[oneofsix]

That advise for cyclists looka as if it might have been dreamed up by some blind ignorant twat who has never even sat on a bicycle. Fuck all works on a bicycle.
Not sure if aluminium will create the inductive field, but I'm guessing carbon fibre won't, and being that most bikes thess days that aren't made of aluminium are made of carbon fibre I don't imagine you'll see too many cyclists waiting for the lights to change.

Don't think I have ever seen a cyclist wait at the lights unless the traffic is heavy in which case there are plenty of cages there too. But those weirdos aside it seems to work for my motorbike.

[Bald Eagle]

The Boulevrd is fat enough to trip the lights.

[Laava]

Lets start a, Stationary Lights Action Group!