Would this Reaper Gen X 150cc be legal for bucket racing?

[jasonmx]

Hey Guys,

Just wondering if this Reaper Gen X 150cc be legal for bucket racing in NZ? Done my research and I cant see any reason why not, please note its a 150cc engine not a 155cc like some of other Pit Bike Motards out there.

The picture is just of a sample, the models that will be sold, will have axle and footpeg guards, along with all the graphics etc.

Cool thing about this bike is that it has dual piston front brakes and linkage rear suspension.

Any other suggestions or opinions of this bike are welcome.

[Bert]

Have a little read through this thread....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-bucket-racing

can of worms.

[NSR143]

Here we go again.....

Personally I would have no problem with one of these at one of the meetings I run.

Technically they might be on the fringes of the rules but unless you are at the pointy end of the competition no one is likely to lodge a protest.

[jasonmx]

Yeah that model is a 155? This is 150?

[bucketracer]

Hey Guys,

Just wondering if this Reaper Gen X 150cc be legal for bucket racing in NZ?

Are you actually thinking of racing or just blowing air for attention?

[Henk]

Reasonably involved in Auckland these days.
Strictly speaking it's not legal but unless you start blitzing the field, as NSR said nobody is likely to protest.
We have started to insist that anybody on a mini motard keeps their feet on the pegs pending a black flag.
It looks to me like you are planning to import these in some volume rather than just buying one for yourself, if you do go down that road and somebody gets pissed at some stage because they have been told to go away and you have advertised them as bucket legal you won't have a leg to stand on under the consumer guarantee act.
To be honest I'd rather not see these at the track because of the different riding style required, they seem to punch out of corners really well but have quite low corner speeds, it's just a matter of time before one gets punched from behind due to low corner speed. That's just my opinion of course.

[jasonmx]

Also what about this Mini GP 150cc
bike?

LENGTH × WIDTH × HEIGHT:1590 × 595 × 911mm
WHEELBASE: 1150mm
GROUND CLEARANCE: 123mm
SEAT HEIGHT: 681mm
CASTERANGLE: 23° 36'
DRY WEIGHT: 83.6kg
ENGINE
Displacement:150cc
Engine type: single cylinder, 4 stroke N-1-2-3-4, all up
Box X stroke:60x53mm
Gear:4 speed
Max power:15HP
Start method: Kick start
Start lever: Steel
Ignition: CDI
Cooling type: Oil cooling
Clutch: Manual clutch
Carburetor: MIKUNI
Ignition: Outer type
CHASSIS
Frame assy: steel
Swing arm: aluminum
Front fork：USD type, rebound and compression adjustment length：600mm, stroke：70mm; spring: 18PD, diameter: 45/48mm
Rear shock：rebound and compression adjustment, length: 218mm，stroke:37mm, spring: 1000PD
Clamp: Material: aluminum, color: Ti, silver, black, machining method: CNC
Rim: material: aluminum, front/rear: 2.50-12, 3.00-12
Tire: front/rear: 120/90-12 120/80-12
Sprocket: Front/rear: 16/37T, 7075 aluminum
Chain: 420#, KMC
Brake paddle: CNC, alloy
Brake front/rear:
Disc front/rear: 220/190mm, 4/1 pistons
Exhaust pipe: Material: stainless steel
Muffler:
Material: aluminum, machining method: CNC
Seat assy: foam
Plastics assy: NSF100, fiber glass
Fuel tank: steel
Foot rest: aluminum, CNC machined

[jasonmx]

Yeah I understand the Pit Motards are a bit different to standard buckets and they would be better off in there own class but they are a pretty new thing. So guess until the scene gets bigger that the buckets are the best class for them? They are cheap and if they are getting more people involved in the sport dont see what the problem is?

At least you can chuck dirt wheels on them an go offroad riding as well: )

[Henk]

Having ridden dirt bikes I'm not sure that I'd want to ride something with wheels that small.
They may be the up and coming thing but the fact remains that they aren't legal.
Add the fact that for the price of one of these things would buy or build a legal bucket I really can't see the point.

[Henk]

Oh as for that Mini thing, probably a better fit with pit bikes but they have pretty much been and gone, only running in the BOP as far as I'm aware now.

[jasonmx]

Having ridden dirt bikes I'm not sure that I'd want to ride something with wheels that small.
They may be the up and coming thing but the fact remains that they aren't legal.
Add the fact that for the price of one of these things would buy or build a legal bucket I really can't see the point.

The picture above is a top spec, a basic model ready to motard, wheels, guards etc could retail for $1,500 brand new, which im sure is pretty cheap?

[jasonmx]

Oh as for that Mini thing, probably a better fit with pit bikes but they have pretty much been and gone, only running in the BOP as far as I'm aware now.

Ok thanks for your help, its not a pocket rocket 50cc two stroke, its a bit bigger than them and has a 150cc 4stroke engine?

[Buddha#81:Me]

I see you are based in Dunners, Buckets down here are all raced on big tracks (Ruapuna, Levels, Teratonga and Greymouth and Methven street circuits) so I thiink your 15 HP 4 speed bikes on 14" wheels would just be dangerous Its a dam shame Pac n save and the Warehouse's of the world are now open 24/7 there's some dame fine car parks that you could have some serious fun on those on a sunday arvo with 1/2 doz mates

[Pumba]

FFS. If you want to race road bikes of any sort buy a fucking road bike. Stop trying to fuck up a perfectly good class (most here would argue the best MNZ road class in NZ) with shitty little fad toys built in mainland china.

They take different lines, and are just plain dangerous on the track and the arrogance of there owners are really starting to cause problems. The other thread deals with a lot of other issues rather than just the whole extra 5cc so is relevant to your question.

IMOH John Conner should have never let them race at Mt Welly as it opened the fucking door. The words horse, gate, and bolted come to mind.

[Pumba]

Ok I have still been thinking about this since my post this morning, and will be a bit more constructive based on your commets

..........and they would be better off in there own class............

Yes they would. But no class exists. So if you have have the inention of importing these for financhial gain it is in your best intrests to develop a proper class for them. First off you would need to aproach the clubs to see if there is a desire to run such a class within there exisitng formats (a post on KB or any other forum does not consitute such an approch, even if club representatives are present on hte forums) as well as discussing the proposals with the MNZ Road Race Commisioner, to see waht is reuqired to have the calss supported at that level and registard in the National Rule Book, as F4 and F5 currently is.

......So guess until the scene gets bigger that the buckets are the best class for them?

Wrong

.....They are cheap and if they are getting more people involved in the sport dont see what the problem is?

I have nothing wrong with getting more people involed, but getting people involved on equipment that is not suited for purpose will only lead to accidents and the potential for people to get hurt. This is not the way to grow the sport. These bike are not the new FXR's.

.....At least you can chuck dirt wheels on them an go offroad riding as well: )

The way I saw the spoked wheels fail once on a simular bike at Mt Welly as a result os an off, the though of anyone trying to do anything off road is just going to fuck them really quick. So I am in full support of such endevours.