Spring's here, time to die

[Banditbandit]

All old Harleys! Like my VMX bikes...you could squeeze nearly as hard as you like without fear of locking 'em up! (not quite...but you know what I mean).

Fuck - don't Harley's go faster if you squeeze on that lever on the right-hand bar?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck - don't Harley's go faster if you squeeze on that lever on the right-hand bar?

Only the oldies mate! The newer ones are actually getting it together slowly.

[Katman]

So something that aids in maintaining traction under heavy braking in adverse conditions is a gimmick?

I'm old school.

I think people should learn how to ride rather than removing the need to learn.

[FJRider]

So what's the issue with ABS? - serious question.

ABS in itself wont save you. The effects of heavy braking will still be there. The assumption that you will be safe on a bike when you (try to) pull up hard on the brakes ... with ABS to counteract the various directional and gravitational forces that you will be subject to .... is a little misguided ...

In short ... some skill level will still be required by the rider.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm old school.

I think people should learn how to ride rather than removing the need to learn.

Same here.

[Maha]

I'm old school.

I think people should learn how to ride rather than removing the need to learn.

I am still at intermediate (year 8 for the those who don't know what that is) and I concur with the above.

[Edbear]

Same here.

Like traction control, ABS is an advantage, but won't save you if you're an idiot, not much can save idiots.

Some of us here have survived 30 or 40 years on bikes in all weather and road conditions. There is no substitute for learning the skills and riding to both your skill level and the conditions. Accidents can and will happen regardless, it's about minimising the chance as much as we can.

[FJRider]

I'm old school.

I think people should learn how to ride rather than removing the need to learn.

But with my headlight on, people will see me coming and take all steps to avoid hitting me .... right ..??

Or have I got it wrong ... again .. ??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Like traction control, ABS is an advantage, but won't save you if you're an idiot, not much can save idiots.

Some of us here have survived 30 or 40 years on bikes in all weather and road conditions. There is no substitute for learning the skills and riding to both your skill level and the conditions. Accidents can and will happen regardless, it's about minimising the chance as much as we can.

Best thing anyone hoping to be a good road rider can do is some off road riding.

[GTRMAN]

ABS in itself wont save you. The effects of heavy braking will still be there. The assumption that you will be safe on a bike when you (try to) pull up hard on the brakes ... with ABS to counteract the various directional and gravitational forces that you will be subject to .... is a little misguided ...

In short ... some skill level will still be required by the rider.

I agree. ABS in and of itself will not save you, nothing will. But in a situation where you are doing everything you can, surely a little help is not a bad thing. This in no way absolves the rider from knowing how to ride his motorcycle though.

[Katman]

I agree. ABS in and of itself will not save you, nothing will.

Nothing?

[FJRider]

... not much can save idiots.

I once tried saving idiots ... but gave up when I couldn't find any practical use for them ...

[Edbear]

Best thing anyone hoping to be a good road rider can do is some off road riding.

True for both two and four wheels! On road tyres, preferably.

I agree. ABS in and of itself will not save you, nothing will. But in a situation where you are doing everything you can, surely a little help is not a bad thing. This in no way absolves the rider from knowing how to ride his motorcycle though.

Yup!

[MrKiwi]

It's a gimmick for the dumb masses.

It most certainly is not. ABS is not good for gravel running but on tarmac it does improve your stopping capability. People who say they can stop better and control the bike better under breaking than ABS can are, quite frankly, dreaming. The research is pretty clear.

[GTRMAN]

Nothing?

No riding aid, with the exception of a star trek emergency transporter that beams you back to your couch in a nanosecond