Spring's here, time to die

[Mr. Peanut]

Jesus, you're a bunch of whinging faggots.

It's been two years since I've used this site, I think it'll be another two years before I use it again. Time to go back to riding

[James Deuce]

OOOOOOO, I hope I get to wheelie through YOUR crash site. I like that sort of thing.

[sinfull]

Time to die !

[Berries]

Time to die !

Nah, it is summer now. We are all ok until next year...........

[sinfull]

Ha ! That's the attitude !

[pritch]

That doesn't change the fact that should you want to lock a wheel at will you can't. And think you'll find there are certainly select few that can stop harder in certain conditions without it.

Even the "select few" require several practice attempts. In the real world there are no warm-ups, in a one-off panic stop nobody beats ABS.

I've never had ABS on any of my bikes, my current car is the first vehicle I've had with it, but if my next bike has it I'll be pleased.

[Disco Dan]

Woah this thread is a like a time machine back to "Kiwibiker site in 2006" ....continue, please.

[Genestho]

Woah this thread is a like a time machine back to "Kiwibiker site in 2006" ....continue, please.

Weren't you the guy that was outta here in '09?

[ellipsis]

...iv'e just been talking to my granddaughter about Gallileo, HG Wells and other visionaries of their ilk...how their concepts were considered little more than foolish wanderings of deranged men at best...and trying to consider what my reactions to their stuff would have been if I was of their time...i'm sure i'd like ABS if i ever got to squeeze them...at the moment i'm very happy with these new fangled disc brake thingys...much better than the best drums i've ever had

[MrKiwi]

That doesn't change the fact that should you want to lock a wheel at will you can't. And think you'll find there are certainly select few that can stop harder in certain conditions without it.

On tarmac I don't believe that. Not even top class racers. Show me the evidence and I'll change my mind.

[onearmedbandit]

On tarmac I don't believe that. Not even top class racers. Show me the evidence and I'll change my mind.

While they give the nod to ABS, there are some interesting results here.

http://www.msf-usa.org/imsc/proceedi...ngdistance.pdf

[Ender EnZed]

- Skill (ability to control a machine, and ability to think about what's going on around you) is inversely proportionate to the chance of binning on the road.

- ... yeah, that's about it.

The above seems such a truism that I'm not sure what else there is to say, other than everyone calling me a cunt. Which should be old news, anyhow.

I'd suggest that "skill" needs to be broken down a bit further than that, or separated into at least two component parts with regards to "likelihood of bin".

1) Ability to control the bike: This is all that matters for the best lap time around a track.
2) Ability to not-be-a-fuckwit: This is an influencing factor in almost all bins after an afternoon's pootle around a carpark of skill #1's ability has been developed even slightly.

That's why old men crash less than young men.

There is of course plenty of variance to this rule but there aren't many people who crash more after 20-30 years riding or get faster after 20-30 years riding.

I've sort of based my entire skill set around managing, preparing for, and handling the limits of traction. I'm not sure how I feel about ABS and traction control.

I use these limits as a sort of punctuation in my riding style, when I brake hard in an emergency situation, feeling the front start to lock is a perfect point for me to let off the brakes and crank the bike over. Feeling the back start to kick out, is when I start to adjust my body weight and throttle position

You sound like you're talking about a track. Certainly, when you have your braking, letting off, and turning points clear in your mind then anything that interferes with that is interference.

I've done track riding on non-ABS bikes and I agree that not-locking-the-front is a long way down the list of skills to master. I've also done track driving on ABS-equipped cars and I agree that in terms of tracks times it's waste of time.

BUT, if it's a dark rainy night after a bottle of whiskey when I stumble onto the road with Valentino Rossi himself riding towards me on the latest and greatest of riding machinery, I'd still rather it have ABS than not. There is no level of human skill that can match electrickery doing the same job, except very occasionally.

[Maha]

Weren't you the guy that was outta here in '09?

You're right, but like everyone says, most cant keep away....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...r-all-the-fish

[MrKiwi]

While they give the nod to ABS, there are some interesting results here.

http://www.msf-usa.org/imsc/proceedi...ngdistance.pdf

I've seen other research on this as well, I'll try and dig it out. The main thing for me (and I currently do not ride a bike fitted with ABS, although I wish I did) is that with or without ABS the rider still needs to understand how to control the bike and how to ride within the conditions of the road. What ABS does is to provide an incremental improvement in the ability of a rider to control the bike in emergency situations.

[James Deuce]

I've seen other research on this as well, I'll try and dig it out. The main thing for me (and I currently do not ride a bike fitted with ABS, although I wish I did) is that with or without ABS the rider still needs to understand how to control the bike and how to ride within the conditions of the road. What ABS does is to provide an incremental improvement in the ability of a rider to control the bike in emergency situations.

If they ever get to the point of activating their ABS. Few people use a large proportion of the potential braking energy available to them, even during the most ball-shriveling of potential incidents.