Spring's here, time to die

[Edbear]

Fair point. Thats all I've got, cant be arsed reading the articles.

This is normal for KB, the other problem with some is they read with the express purpose of finding something to argue with. Been there, done that, can't be bothered with the idiots anymore.

[Madness]

Get Sloan on here saying he'd rather ride a bike with ABS and I'll consider that point made. But up until now we've only had red herrings.

What?, It's not mentioned in The Bible?

[Mr. Peanut]

Been a while since I posted here, what happened to the literacy? It's like trying to read alphabet soup.

[FJRider]

... the other is Keith Code saying that bikes with TC and ABS cause people to fall off less in rider training school. Which makes sense.

.... Fall off LESS ... ??? (I must try that)



Is there a system that STOPS you falling off .. ???

[Edbear]

.... Fall off LESS ... ??? (I must try that)



Is there a system that STOPS you falling off .. ???

Trainer wheels?

[Deano]

Choppa's rise has been pretty stunning. How long ago was he going out in learner groups at trackdays? 5 years ago, if even that? Wish I had that sort of talent (and budget *cough*)



No, no, I agree, good point. But still - I wasn't wanting to know whether ABS reduced the frequency of bins during rider training days, even if they were high-level rider training days.

I was asking Ed to back up his claim that racers preferred ABS.

Get Sloan on here saying he'd rather ride a bike with ABS and I'll consider that point made. But up until now we've only had red herrings.

Yeah it was just the reference to learner riders using CSBKS that I was picking on. Choppa did CSBKS in 2011, as was Leon Camier I was told.

Maybe the new generations of racers will prefer ABS - much like the dumbing down of society, electronic gadgetry is making average racers (LOL - Dovizioso) keep up with the likes of Rossi and Stoner), well almost some of the time anyway. Machinery being equal etc

[scumdog]

Maybe the new generations of racers will prefer ABS - much like the dumbing down of society, electronic gadgetry is making average racers (LOL - Dovizioso) keep up with the likes of Rossi and Stoner), well almost some of the time anyway. Machinery being equal etc

Somebody probably said much the same sort of thing when disc-brakes first appeared on the track - and slipper cluthes...and....

[Edbear]

Yes, but more particularly, that was Keith Code saying that his learner riders fall off less on bikes with ABS.

I don't equate that to "a racer preferring ABS".

Would you like to prove you can read and quote me as to whether I said that?

[jrandom]

Would you like to prove you can read and quote me as to whether I said that?

Oh, yep, nah, you said "recognise the advantages of".

Fair call.

[Edbear]

Oh, yep, nah, you said "recognise the advantages of".

Fair call.

Thank you.

[Deano]

Somebody probably said much the same sort of thing when disc-brakes first appeared on the track - and slipper cluthes...and....

Just confirms my point. The gadgetry is allowing racers to go faster, with less emphasis on basic/raw ability/talent.

Someone who grows up with ABS may be less likely to lose the front in a low side. And rear traction control less likely to result in a high side.

Chuck the newbies on/in a race bike/car with no aids vs an old schooler who had no such aids and see who wins. Not really a fair contest though as the newbie will have youth on their side - potentially more courage and physically more able in most cases.

[Mr. Peanut]

I'd be too tempted to crank it right over and 'give it a go'

[Edbear]

"Our testers consisted of a closed-circuit endurance racer, a long-distance endurance rider, a RR staffer, a touring rider with 70,000 miles of experience, a motorcycle mechanic with a 37,000 mile riding history, and a relative novice with less than one year and 4200 miles of riding under his belt. We gave our riders the following labels: Racer, Mileman, RRider, Tourer, Mech and Newguy. "

http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/abstests.html

Not racing but relevant. I'll canvas a few riders this weekend and see how the local's feel about it.

[Deano]

I'd be too tempted to crank it right over and 'give it a go'

That's the attitude!

Wonder if the ABS etc comes with a disclaimer......

[Katman]

Thank you.

Fuck off Ed.

You used the words "recognise the advantages of" in an obvious reference to a racing application.

Your Keith Code link doesn't fit that bill.