Vehicle license reform. Danger and opportunity for bikers

[Conquiztador]

The white was offered up long ago and has been walked over many times ever since.....
I for one, will never waste one more minute of my time to anything where motorcycling is conerned, other than......riding...

I see your cunning plan... While others do all the work and spend time securing the future for all bikers, you will ride and reap the benefits... I am worried that this approach could spread and be considered a good win/win individual option! Could you therefore please keep this to your self just in case there are others that would have a tendency to also take this un-ethical approch.

[oneofsix]

And judging by the displays by a prominent number of lunatics on two wheels they could probably be forgiven for thinking that they have a point.

There are as many if not more lunatics on four wheelies, after all some of the four wheeled lunatics also ride on two. But it is mean of you to pick on cyclists where they can't defend themselves

I think that in the current political climate, where most people seem to think hungry kids should stay hungry cos "why should my taxes pay for some kids food because they have shit parents," that if they take this approach WE ARE FUCKED!
All they will have to do is frame the argument along those same lines ie why should your taxes/acc levies subsidise those dangerous bikers and throw up some dodgy numbers and half the public will be baying for our blood.

You have been listening to too many of the rowdy, worried greedies. Like alot of people you are being sucked in by their noise. Not all think that way, look at the occupy movement, but the government is doing a good job, as usual, of splitting the focus.

Actually a small group can change things. Look at how much progress Gay folks have made yet when they started they were beaten up and chucked out of political party meetings etc...

It requires consistency and perseverance however and a strong belief in what you are doing..

I'm not sure that exists in this case.

Agreed.

Why do you think you are ever going to beat these people are their own game? You are completely pissing in the wind with that! Scream, jump up and down and cut your wrists all you like, and they are just going to ignore you and keep putting the price up.

The ONLY way you are going fuck them over is to completely remove their teeth, and that has to be done in a court of law. Then any agency can arbitrarily pull rules out of its arse as much as it likes and they aren't worth a knob of goats poo.

All you are doing here is exercising your (government given) rights(sic) to publicly object - which in the end amounts to consent, where you should be exercising your (god given) rights to walk, which is QUITE the opposite to consent.

Think about it.

Me thinks you need to do some thinking and some learning of history. No government willingly gave those rights, they were won by the people, just like the gays, the Hikoi of Dame Cooper, votes for woman, votes for non-land owning whites (Maori's had the vote before them even if they weren't allowed in the pubs).

The white was offered up long ago and has been walked over many times ever since.....
I for one, will never waste one more minute of my time to anything where motorcycling is conerned, other than......riding...

I call on that Maha. Posting on KB on a motorcycling related subject is motorcycling concerned but isn't riding

[G4L4XY]

I think having two bikes should = not paying the rego for two bikes ....even though I don't have two bikes yet.

If the rego cost was included in fuel would that mean we pay more or less. Some people have bikes just sitting in their garage collecting dust, so allgood for them. For the rest of us and I for one use my bike all the time so it might not work out so well for us.

[Maha]

I see your cunning plan... While others do all the work and spend time securing the future for all bikers, you will ride and reap the benefits... I am worried that this approach could spread and be considered a good win/win individual option! Could you therefore please keep this to your self just in case there are others that would have a tendency to also take this un-ethical approch.

The reality is (and always will be) is that, everytime it is perceived that motorcyclist are getting a raw deal, a bleat thread is started...words/words and more words.

09' was the climactic point, but from then on.....interest wained dramatically.
The topic may be worth a discussion at the very least, but nothing will ever be done about it....put it to

[HenryDorsetCase]

s but short of armed insurrection we won't be changing any proposals.

That, I'll sign up for.

[Oblivion]

Roughly speaking, in order for the increased cost on petrol to be equal to the motorcycle rego for under <600cc, then you would have to travel at least 35000ks in a year (at 20km a litre)(50US MPG) You would need to travel a greater distance if you had better fuel economy. Most of us here would travel at least 20,000kms in a year, some more some less, and that may potentially save you 1/3 of the rego cost per year. Providing that rego is now free. Which knowing them. It wont be.

Maths.

414\0.24 (increase)=Litres bought to remain equal, Which is 1725

Which you can multiply your km/l by to get the distance that you need to travel to pay your current rego worth.

[G4L4XY]

I still haven't worked out how many k's I get from a tank ..throttle doesn't stay in the same position during transit

[hayd3n]

2x bikes = almost $900 a year in rego
i can only ride one at a time

[davereid]

Yep. I am in.

Time for a strategy me thinks. Ideas?

The reality is they are aware of the good reasons for a petrol based levy.

That's why they have tried hard early in the document to discredit it.

They have given us a window here. By attempting to discredit it, they have put it on the table, and actually shown some of their cards.

We get the chance to discredit right back at them.

The cost of the current system must be horrendous.

The NZTA have to print labels and post them to every one. They have to run a computer system to keep track of who has licenced, who has not and who is late. They have operate an enforcement and debt collection system, and its quoted in the document as resulting in thousands of fines that are not paid.

Even the cost of the call center that deals with licencing etc must be millions and millions of dollars.

Add to that the cost of the proposed rebates ACC want, and the system is very top heavy.

We need to find out a way to get our hands on those numbers. This can be done by OIA, but the closing date for submissions is very close to the time it takes for an OIA to be answered. Plus NZTA always stall my OIAs now, as I have made it to the troublemaker category.

Anyone want to help formulate some good questions, and get them off to NZTA/ MOT / ACC ?

[Akzle]

whogivesafuck, it's the government, they'llallbeshotcometherevolution.?

innit?

(does this mean they have to admit that mechanical/"legal" failures cause fuckall% of crashes?)

[Berries]

Look at how much progress Gay folks have made yet when they started they were beaten up and chucked out of political party meetings etc...

It requires consistency and perseverance however and a strong belief in what you are doing..

...and a thick skinned forehead.

I think you meant a thick headed foreskin but I'm not sure.

[Katman]

I think you meant a thick headed foreskin but I'm not sure.

Have you been peeking through my curtains?

[rustic101]

I'm all for the use of ANPR as it does not discriminate, is smart and the rule is simple - 'register your vehicle and get no infringement'. It will also catch those clowns on here that are so proud to be rebelling in protest while others comply. I've seen ANPR in use an its very smart short of fully covering your plates.

Its not in scope but if I had my way every driver/rider would be insured much the same as in the UK. No insurance you get towed and walk. However only if there was a reduction in registration costs.

[Katman]

Its not in scope but if I my way every driver/rider would be insured much the same as in the UK. No insurance you get towed and walk.

How very short sighted of you.

[rustic101]

How very short sighted of you.

So you won't like my comment that driving and riding on our roads is a privilege not a right