Can I avoid the registration ripoff by getting a dealer plate?

[Drew]

edit: find me some NZ legislation that does NOT say "this act binds the crown
2- find out who the fuck the crown is. i have a swift kick in the crotch for their tomfuckery.
3- why doesn't it say "this act binds every living man woman and child in the place known as new zealand, whether they like it or not"?
riddle me thus...

i'm not so rare. i'm completely uncooked right now. you're welcoms to the barbeque afterward though.

if a student fails to learn a teacher fails to teach.
so i don't teach. i tell. then if you fuckup i can say "i told you so"


...no hurry.

oh there are heaps of people having their ass handed to them in court. whether they claim to be freeman, sovereign, tuhoe, or whatever. there was a guy down rotorua, doing just fine, until they appointed him a lawyer and suddenly "he was sorry and mislead" and now GUILTY. (accepted jurisdiction, then provided mens rea - whammo, criminal conviction for a "civil crime" (no injured party))
it's not for the average dick. and were i to watch the video i could probably pinpoint where he went wrong.
that asides, most of that description you provided suits me.


that's step # one in his fuckup.



a) generally people of the persuasion don't steal, asides from not needing to, it just aint right
2- you don't need to go anywhere for natural justice. it comes to you. the vedic "karma" fairly well covers it.

the guiding principals are three: do no harm to any (hu)man; do no harm to property (debatable re: being able to (claim to) "own" anything) and; honor your contracts (ie, don't lie, do what you say you will do.)

what more "laws" are required?

and as a general aside: i do not label myself a free man on the land, nor a sovereign being... i live free (do no harm) and despise the collective sickness that has resulted in the governments of the white, "western", capitalist world, in my free time, the rest of the time i'm enjoying my god-given (not government-ascribed) life...

There's hole in your bucket sorry man.

I get what you're saying in theory, but there is no logical way to live in our country without recognising the laws.

You have said you like to stick it to the cops, and don't accept tickets from them, and make them look like fools. But by your logic, you can't stop for them either or you are adhearing to a system you renounce.

The only end is to do what you like, when you like, and pay no attention to anyone in a public position or you are bound by prescident.

I'm just picking for it's own sake, I'm all good with paying taxes. Anyone else can do what ever the hell they like.

[Akzle]

You have said you like to stick it to the cops, and don't accept tickets from them, and make them look like fools. But by your logic, you can't stop for them either or you are adhearing to a system you renounce.

they tend to get a bit shitty when you don't... phoning ahead for tyre spikes and such. less painful to stop, then serve them legal notice that they have no lawful authority, and carry on my way.

it is difficult, in practice, to deal with the unenlightened, and particularly the frontline policy enforcement division of the government/board of shadowy figures, they don't know law, they struggle enough with legislation, and that's 100% of their job,
let alone are they able to entertain any discourse on lawful vs legal, common law, admiralty law or anything in the court/legal/"justice" system that isn't "take license - write ticket - give ticket - carry on" if you try and steer them off this path they get highly confused. don't know what to do, like...

[scumdog]

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they tend to get a bit shitty when you don't... phoning ahead for tyre spikes and such. less painful to stop, then serve them legal notice that they have no lawful authority, and carry on my way.

Hopefully you'll treat ambulance crews with the same disdain should you arse up and somebody calls them. (I know YOU wouldn't call them...)

[HenryDorsetCase]

[ enjoying my god-given (not government-ascribed) life...

god-give? GOD given?

so you're hopelessly in thrall to a set of bronze age myths?

mate, your problem isn't whether or not the social contract that binds the rest of us to society applies to you, its way way bigger than that.

[HenryDorsetCase]

they tend to get a bit shitty when you don't... phoning ahead for tyre spikes and such. less painful to stop, then serve them legal notice that they have no lawful authority, and carry on my way.

it is difficult, in practice, to deal with the unenlightened, and particularly the frontline policy enforcement division of the government/board of shadowy figures, they don't know law, they struggle enough with legislation, and that's 100% of their job,
let alone are they able to entertain any discourse on lawful vs legal, common law, admiralty law or anything in the court/legal/"justice" system that isn't "take license - write ticket - give ticket - carry on" if you try and steer them off this path they get highly confused. don't know what to do, like...

bullshit. they think "Ah fuck, another fucking lunatic, just my luck"

its not like you dont GET the tickets?

the basic hypocrisy of your stance must be obvious, even to you, Shirley?

[HenryDorsetCase]

2- you don't need to go anywhere for natural justice. it comes to you. the vedic "karma" fairly well covers it.

.......really?

the only scenario that I can imagine where your philosophy might work is a scenario where you (or a very small family group) live in a cave or a shelter you've built yourself, you forage for food, you hunt, and (heres the important part) there are NO OTHER people. Congratulations, you've invented the stone age.

To claim, as you do, to want to be part of a modern society with all of its benefits: by which I mean a system where you dont have to grow or find your own food, kill your own meat, make your own shelter, defend your sleeping place from predatorr or other people, but not to be part of and subject to the well developed social constraints and structured that have developed so that can happen? That is delusional, and stupid. You're lying to yourself. As others have said, the basic problem is you use all this stuff (did you build that road? did you buy that artifact? How do you afford the computer youre using to type the inanities you're posting here, for starters) but then you say Oh no, that doesnt apply to me. The fuck it doesn't no matter what you say.

the history of people is the history of learning how to get along with other people. thats what people do.

And since I happen to know a little bit about admiralty law, I am FASCINATED by why you keep mentioning it as if it has some meaning. Please, elucidate.

[Drew]

Fuckin lawyers. Ruin everything!!!

[Akzle]

Hopefully you'll treat ambulance crews with the same disdain should you arse up and somebody calls them. (I know YOU wouldn't call them...)

what do you base this on?
ambulance crews exist ONLY TO HELP PEOPLE
they're a) not government funded and b) not government employees and c) not trying to enforce st john policy on me...

god-give? GOD given?

so you're hopelessly in thrall to a set of bronze age myths?

bahahaha
okay. heretic.
god is a myth. so you evolved from pond sludge? or do you have an alternate theory?
(i do not mean god in the christian sense, call it allah, budha, krishna, jesus, jah, jewhoover, whatever. i mean that from which everything comes from and goes to.)

but i think this is probably a pointless argument to raise with you, because you're so staunchly in your world view that considering anything else would be a reduction in you perceived self-worth.

(PS, there's a lot of people alive in this, the capitalist-age, who believe in "god", just sayin.)

its not like you dont GET the tickets?

the basic hypocrisy of your stance must be obvious, even to you, Shirley?

no, please, enlighten me, o enlightened soul that you are.

there have been at least 3 times when i didn't GOT the tickets, and as many that i've later got OFF the tickets. the rest is being payed for by the government. tax payer. thanks cops.

the only scenario that I can imagine where your philosophy might work is a scenario where you (or a very small family group) live in a cave or a shelter you've built yourself, you forage for food, you hunt, and (heres the important part) there are NO OTHER people. Congratulations, you've invented the stone age.

To claim, as you do, to want to be part of a modern society with all of its benefits: by which I mean a system where you dont have to grow or find your own food, kill your own meat, make your own shelter, defend your sleeping place from predatorr or other people, but not to be part of and subject to the well developed social constraints and structured that have developed so that can happen? That is delusional, and stupid. You're lying to yourself. As others have said, the basic problem is you use all this stuff (did you build that road? did you buy that artifact? How do you afford the computer youre using to type the inanities you're posting here, for starters) but then you say Oh no, that doesnt apply to me. The fuck it doesn't no matter what you say.

the history of people is the history of learning how to get along with other people. thats what people do.

And since I happen to know a little bit about admiralty law, I am FASCINATED by why you keep mentioning it as if it has some meaning. Please, elucidate.

what you don't realise is that i don't mind "grow or find your own food, kill your own meat, make your own shelter, defend your sleeping place from predatorr or other people, " and i DO IT.

admiralty law was contributing pretext to common-wealth-land-law. many of the principals still apply. many things are worded (still) to reflect the jurisdiction.
ie "road"= legally "sea lane" *has changed, but not THAT long ago
"NZ'= "the territorial waters of NZ" (not LAND...) etcetera.

but i still dont think you've managed to answer any points i've raised. you've yelled a lot, and sounded very stern and indignant, but haven't actually provided any kind of fact.

[Akzle]

but of course if everyone got along, lawyers would be redundant. so it's kind of a self-perservationist view that you hold eh?

(you'll be first against the wall)

[Big Dave]

Akzie and Mashie should get a room.

[Brian d marge]

Why not just leave them unregistered [edit: actually, 'unlicenced']? Put them on hold. 'Off the road'. (Make sure they're still WOF'd and looked after, of course.) And just ride them.

If you just ride occasionally for pleasure, you'll be bound to spend far less on the occasional inevitable tickets for your civil disobedience than keeping them both constantly registered would cost you.

agreed old looking dude on an enfield , pottering along at 90 ,,( a nice speed for an enfield) , chances of getting a ticket slim to none ....( unless parked in town where parking wardens lurk)
hell in half a year you would be quids in,
and if you get pinged , 5 dollars a week from a specially set up account ( earning interest )......I could never get me syt together in NZ never actually had a vehicle that had wof , rego and insurance at the same time .....
stephen

ps my old man tried to get the dog as a security system regarding IRD...Rodesian ridgeback but the softest dumbest dog u would ever meet ( the old man cried buckets when benny died ) ...the IRD told him to join the far que