Big hikes in ACC levies for some

[davereid]

There is no point putting any effort into this. You'll get a five second surge of camaraderie, slightly damp trousers, and not much in the way of an outcome except another under-performing minister in a hatchet-man role put out to pasture.

While the brain says you are right, as usual I will make submissions, and rant and rave, in the hope that something changes. This document should not be read alone, it should be considered in context with the vehicle licensing reforms also being consulted on at the moment.

These changes together effectively take fuel based acc levies off the table, and introduce the new idea that not only will vulnerable vehicles be charged extra, now so will vehicle operators that dont meet the grade... the key word being operator NOT necessarily driver, who is pinged separately via fines and demerits..

Wait until that is extended to the small vehicle user...

expect demerits on speed camera tickets
expect driver licence stop orders if you dont pay fines or owe vehicle licensing or RUC
expect an increase in levies so you can be given a discount if you pay on time
expect hefty penalties and late payment fees if you get behind

[swbarnett]

Yes and no. The nose has already been cut off, so there's nothing left to spite. There is no point putting any effort into this. You'll get a five second surge of camaraderie, slightly damp trousers, and not much in the way of an outcome except another under-performing minister in a hatchet-man role put out to pasture.

This may well be true. However, one thing that may well come from us supporting them is that next time we need their support we'll be more likely to get it. I say bury the hatchet and let's do what we can to create a sense of synergy among road users no matter the chosen mode of transport.

[kevie]

Maybe the trucking industry and bikers should combine and do what the French truckers done a few years ago ... after many objections and warnings ...... the Industry told them at a certain hour on a certain day the whole countries trucks will STOP where they are at that moment..... this happened, they stopped at intersections, motorways, roundabouts ..... everywhere... and stopped the country in its tracks... the powers to be sat up and took notice !!!

NZ would be worse if this happened ... after all ... virtually everything that moves in NZ is moved by trucks and a nationwide stop would stop NZ in its tracks, especially when you consider that 99% of companies have settled into a "Just in Time" policy for stock levels.

How much more would it stop the country if the trucks and biker community both combined for a massive stoppage ...... It would hit the news worldwide Id say LOL


But Alas !!!!!!!! kiwis are too scared to stick their heads up ..... what happened to the 60s-70s and the massive protests back then????

Even us ... the biker community have seemingly given up trying and jut go on and pay the costs.
A massive increase to the trucking companies will be passed on to ALL ... as the increases will manifest in the prices we pay for goods (and all services)

[pete376403]

Yes, despite the French being described as "cheese eating surrender monkeys" by some, they do know how to organise a decent protest.

[Maha]

Yes, despite the French being described as "cheese eating surrender monkeys" by some, they do know how to organise a decent protest.

So does they Gay community.

[scumdog]

So does they Gay community.

It must be hell dealing with a gay Frenchman then.

So how many of those do we have in the motorbike community?

[tri boy]

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[Katman]

This may well be true. However, one thing that may well come from us supporting them is that next time we need their support we'll be more likely to get it. I say bury the hatchet and let's do what we can to create a sense of synergy among road users no matter the chosen mode of transport.

Well I vote for double infraction points for anyone using the word 'cager'.

[imdying]

For sure, that'll learn them.

[Clockwork]

From page 13...

"ACC does not charge a standard or flat levy for each vehicle on the road because we believe it is fairer
to ensure the groups of vehicles that contribute a greater risk of injury are contributing a larger share of
the total levy ACC needs to collect to pay for injuries that occur in road crashes.
ACC sets the Motor Vehicle levies according to ‘classes’ of vehicle. The existing risk-based vehicle
classes have been developed over time based on the information ACC has available and the
information on the Motor Vehicle Register"

This is the justification for charging motorcyclists more, "we hurt more when we have an off, regardless of blame for said off."

As a rule, surely the larger the vehicle the lesser injury would be sustained by its occupants. On that basis, smart cars should be getting charged more that say, Falcon owners. Light trucks maybe a little less and the large trucks should be practically free of ACC changes.

But this from page 14...

"The analysis showed that the cost of injuries arising from occupants of trucks (GSVs with a gross
vehicle mass of 3,501 kg and over) is substantially more than those arising from occupants of lighter
GSVs such as vans and utes. This means that there is a significant cross-subsidy between higher-risk
trucks and lower-risk lighter GSVs such as vans and utes."

This seems entirely counter-intuitive, does anyone have any ideas on how this may be?

[Ocean1]

This seems entirely counter-intuitive, does anyone have any ideas on how this may be?

Yes. Follow the money.

There's no point in taxing groups thagt don't pay.