Lack Of Silence Of The LAMS - A Good Idea

[Oakie]

It'll be solved by giving cops roadside internet access.

Please send my taxpayer finded iPad 3 to my work address. The chances of my employer paying for one is fack all.

Now I'm sure I saw on TV about 4 or 5 weeks ago a trial of just that sort of technology being used in a popo car in a remote area of the country. Don't know what the context was because I wasn't really watching however ...

[mossy1200]

That was the original plan, was even part of the law.

I don't know why they didn't follow through with that, but I can guess that they realised they don't want to put "LAMS Compliant" on the label because they don't know if that specific bike has been modified, in which case it's no longer LAMS compliant.

So it would open them up to liability if a bike was sold with a LAMS compliant label on it, but it was no longer LAMS compliant... and somebody topped themselves on it.

Correct but its not any different from a lams approved model thats been modified. At least having rego claiming a lams bike then when a warrent is performed and the inspection shows modified parts the warrent can be declined.
Also means that if your claiming its lams approved popo can sticker it for being modified and request it be checked at owners expense.

Its going to be interesting to see how many learners riders will have exausts etc that have dropped weight and increased hp taking their bike out of learners field.

Check these claims out-----

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-520725307.htm

Now tell me thats still a LAMS bike. I say you should need prove it a label it as such to ride it as such and every warrent it needs to be reconfirmed.

[FJRider]

Regardless of what could or should be done in the system to assist the Donut munchers in their work ... for those of you in LAM's land ... anything YOU can do to make your roadside stop a 2 minute affair. Rather than a possible 30 minutes plus ... would be in your best interest to do.

Wouldn't it ... ???

[G4L4XY]

Almost makes you think twice about posting something nice next time huh, what with getting all the bulls**t and so on.

Glad this doesn't affect me anywho

[ducatilover]

I dont understand why the rego label doesnt get printed with lams after the model.
Wouldnt that be the best bet for the future.

That'd be ideal, simple and cheap.

Under standard Goverment policy ... that technology will be available in 2014.

Only to 50 of the Police force nationwide?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-520725307.htm

Now tell me thats still a LAMS bike. I say you should need prove it a label it as such to ride it as such and every warrent it needs to be reconfirmed.

Phwoar, LAMS or not, that's bloody nice

[imdying]

Or just take it to court. Being proven innocent in court will make the popo look silly ... and keep him/her off the beat for a few hours ...

What of my own time? Who is going to pay for that? My customers?

Regardless of what could or should be done in the system to assist the Donut munchers in their work ... for those of you in LAM's land ... anything YOU can do to make your roadside stop a 2 minute affair. Rather than a possible 30 minutes plus ... would be in your best interest to do.

If it was a modified bike, out of the ordinary, getting a WOF, then sure photocopy the VIRM pages that are relevant... you expect that when you're getting off the beaten track. But a perfectly legitimate learner, on his perfectly legitimate learner bike, should not have to cater for the failings of the public service. If he has his license, the correct bike, paid his rego and got his WOF, surely in a just world his many should obligations end there? Or is it acceptable for the police to deal out injustice now? You don't agree that those upholding the law should be familiar with it?

[FJRider]

Correct but its not any different from a lams approved model thats been modified. At least having rego claiming a lams bike then when a warrent is performed and the inspection shows modified parts the warrent can be declined.
Also means that if your claiming its lams approved popo can sticker it for being modified and request it be checked at owners expense.

Its going to be interesting to see how many learners riders will have exausts etc that have dropped weight and increased hp taking their bike out of learners field.

Check these claims out-----

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-520725307.htm

Now tell me thats still a LAMS bike. I say you should need prove it a label it as such to ride it as such and every warrent it needs to be reconfirmed.

The tester would ... could not decline the WoF on grounds it was not LAM's approved. But could make it appear on the online vehicle details ... that it is no longer in approved status (Or at least status suspect)

As I recall in my previous LAM's searches ... the onus is on the rider to prove it is on the list.

[FJRider]

If it was a modified bike, out of the ordinary, getting a WOF, then sure photocopy the VIRM pages that are relevant... you expect that when you're getting off the beaten track. But a perfectly legitimate learner, on his perfectly legitimate learner bike, should not have to cater for the failings of the public service. If he has his license, the correct bike, paid his rego and got his WOF, surely in a just world his many should obligations end there? Or is it acceptable for the police to deal out injustice now? You don't agree that those upholding the law should be familiar with it?

As I recall in my previous LAM's searches ... the onus is on the rider to prove it is on the list.

[Ocean1]

Coz we'd have to fit a trailer to each car to carry the volumes of shite we have to know, in case we need to know it.

I distinctly recall someone official once telling me that ignorance of the law was no excuse.

I thought he was talking about me!

[Magnum Noel]

Heads up to those 6L and 6R folk who are going to ride LAMS bikes.

Don't think that every Popo who stops a LAMS-reliant learner or restricted rider will know their stuff about LAMS. The degree of knowledge is depending on their experience with and interest in bikes.

Instead, carry a copy of the NZTA list of approved bikes, showing your bike model, and proving that you are allowed to ride it.

Yes, the Popo should know, and it's up to them to prove it, blah blah blah. Still, it's easier to pull the list out and prove you're in the right then to have to argue about the ticket that shouldn't have been written in the first place.

Simple ideas, nearly always the best.

I'll attach one, when I can work out how. Also, PM me your email address, I'll email it to you. Or you can go to the NZTA link here

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett.../lams-list.pdf

Hi ho, off to the Donut shop I go.

I love it when you post Rastacat. Four pages already and they're all out jumping up and down as usual. Keep up the good work.

[Mully Clown]

They need to get the Target team onto this.

How well do the NZ Police know the new LAMS laws?
We send this 15yo learner out speeding on a Hyosung ST7L and a Suzuki RGV250 to find out.

[bogan]

I have to agree with others that the cops giving the tickets should know the law. If they haven't bothered to learn about it, then they shouldn't be writing them out. You say cops are overworked and undertrained, I don't disagree with that; but how about kicking the problems back up the chain to be solved, instead of passing them down for us to deal with.

[rastuscat]

Regardless of what could or should be done in the system to assist the Donut munchers in their work ... for those of you in LAM's land ... anything YOU can do to make your roadside stop a 2 minute affair. Rather than a possible 30 minutes plus ... would be in your best interest to do.

Wouldn't it ... ???

Nah, don't make your life easier. Stand your ground. Thrill in the knowledge that you're right,AND the Popo is wrong.

Thril for the 15 minutes you could have saved by carrying the list in the first place. Then enjoy the time you have wasted writing letters that could have been avoided by carrying the list.

Yeah, go all you civil rights activists, protect your right to silence. Say nothing, waste your time.

[bogan]

Yeah, go all you civil rights activists, protect your right to silence. Say nothing, waste your time.

Is there not a review on laws etc then? Surely somebody would notice if half the LAMS infringement tickets issued were being overturned and wasting a lot of police time. To civil rights activists sending that message is well worth wasting some time; its pretty much what they do. Its a pity the problem gets this far down the chain before being thrown back up, but we can't do anything else about that.

[Berries]

How well do the NZ Police know the new LAMS laws?
We send this 15yo learner out speeding on a Hyosung ST7L and a Suzuki RGV250 to find out.

Apparently, if you have a piece of paper from the NZTA website you can get off the ticket anyway. I just edited mine to show that a GSXCBRZX10000000RRRRRRRRR is LAMS approved.





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