Lack Of Silence Of The LAMS - A Good Idea

[rastuscat]

Heads up to those 6L and 6R folk who are going to ride LAMS bikes.

Don't think that every Popo who stops a LAMS-reliant learner or restricted rider will know their stuff about LAMS. The degree of knowledge is depending on their experience with and interest in bikes.

Instead, carry a copy of the NZTA list of approved bikes, showing your bike model, and proving that you are allowed to ride it.

Yes, the Popo should know, and it's up to them to prove it, blah blah blah. Still, it's easier to pull the list out and prove you're in the right then to have to argue about the ticket that shouldn't have been written in the first place.

Simple ideas, nearly always the best.

I'll attach one, when I can work out how. Also, PM me your email address, I'll email it to you. Or you can go to the NZTA link here

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett.../lams-list.pdf

Hi ho, off to the Donut shop I go.

[imdying]

This is your answer to being employed in a job that has ongoing training requirements? Seriously?

I've got another idea... how about actually knowing about the offending that you're policing?

[SVboy]

Play nice ImDying, I agree with your point, but this is proactive policing and a helpful gesture. Obviously the Popo are going to target learners as the new regs bed in, so an L plater with a list in their pocket proving the legality of their IT 490!!! or other more suitable bike can feel smug.

[imdying]

Play nice ImDying, I agree with your point, but this is proactive policing and a helpful gesture. Obviously the Popo are going to target learners as the new regs bed in, so an L plater with a list in their pocket proving the legality of their IT 490!!! or other more suitable bike can feel smug.

Policing laws you don't understand can't be consider proactive in any sense of the word.

[rastuscat]

Dude, I know the law. Training in every thing we are expected to know would see us spending our entire careers training.

Next time you need a cop how would it feel if we said sorry, were all busy training.

Join up, you'll be great. Seems you know everything. We could use a gem like you.

[nosebleed]

Dude, I know the law...

Waiting in anticipation for the new avatar
If you can grab one in 3D, even better.

[oneofsix]

Policing laws you don't understand can't be consider proactive in any sense of the word.

In plenty of company lately. Top spy agency not knowing who they aren't allowed to spy on, Dept of Labour not understanding the laws around who they can investigate, and you expect some poor old over worked popo what sees an L plater wobble by on a 500 to know that the law has just changed? Would be nice but it would also be nice, and wise, for said L-plater to carry enough info in their pocket to show the law change and their bike on the list, save the L-plater heaps of time.

The number of L-platers or potential L-platers that don't know that a law directly affecting them is changing it is little wonder a weigh station attendant wont.

Reckon Rustus deserves donuts not brick bats for the warning.

[jellywrestler]

Dude, I know the law. Training in every thing we are expected to know would see us spending our entire careers training.

fuck you think that's hard, what about us, we're expected to know the law, and remember it at 2am or so when we're ripped, at least you get paid to learn it and police it when you're straight; notwithstanding sugar highs from the donut fetish's!

[willytheekid]

Policing laws you don't understand can't be consider proactive in any sense of the word.

I already ride around with a peice of paper that says I can legally use bus lanes!...been stopped twice for it.
I carry the paper because the first time I was stopped and politely explained its legal to do so in chch...I nearly got roughed up for arguing?(Eh-He was one of the angry young ones...but he came around in the end {always be polite!})...The second time Iwas stopped, I had my peice of paper on me that clearly stated my rights in regards to chch bus lanes...the officer read it, laughed, and said "wow, I should really know this stuff lol...have a great day")

...there just humans mate (They can't be expected to know everything!...and that LAMS list is a friggin mess!)

(besides, whats hard about carrying a bit o paper wif ya?)

...as ya were Ras

ps:...ya still havn't said what the new bike is!...its churman int it!...common share the new toy pics etc

[imdying]

Dude, I know the law. Training in every thing we are expected to know would see us spending our entire careers training.

I will take your word for it. But I have to assume the other police officers drive around handing out tickets for laws that they don't understand?

Next time you need a cop how would it feel if we said sorry, were all busy training.

Yes, because that's right... as a citizen that pays tax it's my fault. Of course, how foolish of me.

Join up, you'll be great. Seems you know everything. We could use a gem like you.

I already have a job, one where I'm happy to take it upon myself to ensure that I know what is required of me to correctly perform the functions that I'm trained for. It's called personal responsibility.

ential L-platers that don't know that a law directly affecting them is changing it is little wonder a weigh station attendant wont.

That is entirely their own fault. I assume that everyone else got the letter in the mail stating that the law had changed, or was that just me? (could be me, as I have a 250 registered)

...there just humans mate (They can't be expected to know everything!...and that LAMS list is a friggin mess!)

Of course they can, that's what we're fucking paying them for. They don't even have to hold all of that information in their heads, they have plenty of IT systems that can do it for them... if they have failed to implement such a system before October 1st, then that's a failure of them, not a failure of learner riders. This guilty until proven innocent bullshit is getting out of hand.

[oneofsix]

That is entirely their own fault. I assume that everyone else got the letter in the mail stating that the law had changed, or was that just me? (could be me, as I have a 250 registered)

Did they? I ask in terms of 250 L or R platers. As a 6F on a non-LAMS 650 I didn't. Haven't heard any of the 6L or 6Rs on 250s or less I know mention any letter but of course they all know about LAMS anyhow.

[breakaway]

I like you rastuscat, top bloke.

But I am genuinely surprised that in light of such a huge legislative change no information has been sent to the coppers (emails, briefing?). Most officers I met have a 'you are wrong, I am right' attitude, and this is understandable because I'm sure they deal with a lot of douchebags who 'plead their case', but this situation has absolutely flabbergasted me.

[rastuscat]

Of course they can, that's what we're fucking paying them for. They don't even have to hold all of that information in their heads, they have plenty of IT systems that can do it for them... if they have failed to implement such a system before October 1st, then that's a failure of them, not a failure of learner riders..

It'll be solved by giving cops roadside internet access.

Please send my taxpayer finded iPad 3 to my work address. The chances of my employer paying for one is fack all.

[willytheekid]

....they have plenty of IT systems that can do it for them... if they have failed to implement such a system before October 1st, then that's a failure of them, not a failure of learner riders. This guilty until proven innocent bullshit is getting out of hand.

Ummm, I used to look after there IT services...trust me when I say...there systems are not that flash or reliable! (We begged the Govn't to invest in a stronger Network for the Popo...But, the bastard Govn't are ripping them off too!)

I understand the "guilty until proven innocent" comment as well, but they deal with scumbags day in and day out...hence they do tend to treat everyone as guilty till proven otherwise...cos the majority of the time the guilty are who they are dealing with...yup, can impact their view of the rest of us...but once again, they are only human mate (If we was cops...we would probly snap and just start shooting scumbags within a week!)

We can how-ever be thankful that Rastuscat actually takes the time to try and inform us of change's etc that may effect us KBers...such as the new LAMS list...dudes just trying to look out for us

[gloplg]

Heads up to those 6L and 6R folk who are going to ride LAMS bikes.

Don't think that every Popo who stops a LAMS-reliant learner or restricted rider will know their stuff about LAMS. The degree of knowledge is depending on their experience with and interest in bikes.

Instead, carry a copy of the NZTA list of approved bikes, showing your bike model, and proving that you are allowed to ride it.

Yes, the Popo should know, and it's up to them to prove it, blah blah blah. Still, it's easier to pull the list out and prove you're in the right then to have to argue about the ticket that shouldn't have been written in the first place.

Simple ideas, nearly always the best.

I'll attach one, when I can work out how. Also, PM me your email address, I'll email it to you. Or you can go to the NZTA link here

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett.../lams-list.pdf

Hi ho, off to the Donut shop I go.

Thankyou RC. The advice is good, for those that want to take it!!!

See you on a WNR????