Daytime running lamps?

[leathel]

http://www.dx.com/p/10w-950lm-cree-x...5#.U9YIg1aaKhM

Good ip rating, and has reviews.

That is what I have on mine.... but I put a lens in front to give a flat beam, very bright, pretty well made but I did alter the mount a little to get it solid but easy to sort, they have done a good lot of hours running with no issues.

only drama was the wait for them to arrive !

http://www.dx.com/p/mz-10w-cree-xm-l...4#.U9Y2J2NhsTB

cheaper as a pair... not that I got them as a pair

[Gremlin]

VIRM specifically mentions they are excluded from inspection. Road User Rules 2004 in Section 11 (Flashing beacons) mentions permitted use, and there's a catch all clause that if you're operating in or around a hazard you're permitted to use them. Otherwise, it's acting in accordance with traffic management plan etc. Only use them around the events, so they're fitted for about half the year, during the season.

Ok, got that slightly mixed up.

Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 in Section 8.5 (1) (g) is a catch all re stationary or slow moving to warn other road users of a hazard nearby: http://legislation.govt.nz/regulatio...resel_25_h&p=1

Land Transport Rule: Vehicle Lighting 2004 is Section 11 - 11.2(4) c: http://nzta.thomsonreuters.co.nz/DLE....LTR-32005.pdf
"a vehicle for which the use of the beacon is necessary to warn road users of a hazard due to the presence of the vehicle or of persons carrying out a lawful activity on the road in the vicinity of the [vehicle;]"

Anyway, reckon it's fine. Other sections refer to traffic management plans etc.

[rastuscat]

Heads up all readers of this thread.

Listen to Gremlin. He's spent far too much time reading the lighting rules, and knows them inside out.

If I have a lighting query, I'll be referring it to him.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Question for you Rastus. It might seem dumb to ask but In light of the above comment.....Do you fullas not have people who understand the rules and can provide advice on legislation and how to interpret for the purposes of enforcement? Or we the public at the mercy of the random presence of a law degree in the curriculum vitae of the average plod? I am not questioning gremlins experience or expertise but it seems odd that a man like yourself with the resources of the crown at your disposal would defer to an Internet forum for wisdom on a point of law?
Maybe I have misunderstood ?

[Gremlin]

I am not questioning gremlins experience or expertise but it seems odd that a man like yourself with the resources of the crown at your disposal would defer to an Internet forum for wisdom on a point of law?

He's been here too long. The poor bastard is now trusting someone on the Internets

I think the trick is, we have lawyers playing with all the legislation in court trying to micro define sections. The problem is, there is a shitload of law, one law defers to another, another has precedence etc. Knowing all that? Sheesh, I've only read the motorcycle lighting over various releases, and it's multiple pages with a lot of ins and outs... The annoying part... I've tried speaking to NZTA to raise an issue with the VIRM as it stands, got some woman who insisted I couldn't speak to anyone higher (she was the manager or whatever), yet couldn't understand my question and kept telling me to read the VIRM...

[Erelyes]

Question for you Rastus. It might seem dumb to ask but In light of the above comment.....Do you fullas not have people who understand the rules and can provide advice on legislation and how to interpret for the purposes of enforcement? Or we the public at the mercy of the random presence of a law degree in the curriculum vitae of the average plod? I am not questioning gremlins experience or expertise but it seems odd that a man like yourself with the resources of the crown at your disposal would defer to an Internet forum for wisdom on a point of law?
Maybe I have misunderstood ?

As I understand it, the law basically says if the officer has 'reasonable grounds' to suspect that it 'may be illegal' they can green/pink sticker you and you have zero recourse. None. Zip. Zilch. Oh, the officer was wrong? Tough bikkies.
HTH

[R650R]

... but it seems odd that a man like yourself with the resources of the crown at your disposal would defer to an Internet forum for wisdom on a point of law?
Maybe I have misunderstood ?

translation: He don't want a phone call at 2am from a crash investigator saying some guy from the internet said he authorised installation type X...
You'll be hard pressed to find any enforcement officer or govt official that will say what your allowed to do in any arena as its a whole can of worms... where as saying whats been done wrong is much more clear cut.

[MrKiwi]

The vehicle lighting Rule as it relates to class L motor vehicles (motorbikes in various shapes and forms) concerning daytime running lights is:

• you are now allowed to have four daytime running lights fitted to you motorbike and on at any one time.
• your head light, whether or not it is dipped, is not a daytime running light
• technically this means if you have daytime running lights switched on then your headlight must be turned off. Put another way, when you turn your headlight on (whether or not dipped) the daytime running lights should turn off. This makes sense for cars, but in my view not for motorbikes.

Also this is not how my motorbike is set up, as I am unable to turn my headlight off when it is running. I run with two daytime running lights plus my head light (dipped). For a WoF, I switch off my daytime running lights, they are fitted to an on/off switch. I'm breaking the law, but the Police have so far chosen not to enforce it in the name of conspicuity. I'm still lobbying to get the Rule changed for class L vehicles to allow a dipped headlight to be used in conjunction with daytime running lights (but only for class L vehicles).

Cheers...

[Hinny]

I have Narva DRLs fitted. Run without headlight on during daytime - no tail light going either so a lot safer in that following traffic is able to see when I brake more easily.
When the headlight is turned on the DRLs automatically dim, as per the legal requirement. I guess they then become position indicating lights.
On a trip to the Cold Kiwi I blew a fuse for the headlight just outside Taumarunui and ran the rest of the way with the light from the DRLs at full strength. No problem.

[rastuscat]

He's been here too long. The poor bastard is now trusting someone on the Internets

I think the trick is, we have lawyers playing with all the legislation in court trying to micro define sections. The problem is, there is a shitload of law, one law defers to another, another has precedence etc. Knowing all that? Sheesh, I've only read the motorcycle lighting over various releases, and it's multiple pages with a lot of ins and outs... The annoying part... I've tried speaking to NZTA to raise an issue with the VIRM as it stands, got some woman who insisted I couldn't speak to anyone higher (she was the manager or whatever), yet couldn't understand my question and kept telling me to read the VIRM...

Thing is, people join the Popo as a job, and bring their experience with them.

There is bugger all education within the job as to the very technical nature of the rules. Like, nil. What someone knows is what they care to research themselves.

Don't expect every Popo to be an expert on everything. There's too much technical stuff in traffic work for anyone to know everything.

If you need someone who knows everything, check with Akzle.

[FJRider]

As I understand it, the law basically says if the officer has 'reasonable grounds' to suspect that it 'may be illegal' they can green/pink sticker you and you have zero recourse. None. Zip. Zilch. Oh, the officer was wrong? Tough bikkies.
HTH

Or ... they have it towed at YOUR expense ... there are two sides to their discretion.

One side you don't like ... or the side you really really hate ...

If you make the right choices ... their discretion wont be needed.

[AllanB]

Spied a bike last weekend. headlight, small day lights (LEDs) either side. Bloody obvious. Might get some. Flick a switch in for WOF's. Po po won't care as long as I'm not being a knob. Indeed they should welcome them - see me coming.

Fastbikegear sell them. Ed does not.

[NordieBoy]

Mine don't even get turned off for wof's.

[MrKiwi]

Mine don't even get turned off for wof's.

In reality, neither do mine, but that they can be turned off helps the bike pass the WoF.

[f2dz]

Spied a bike last weekend. headlight, small day lights (LEDs) either side. Bloody obvious. Might get some. Flick a switch in for WOF's. Po po won't care as long as I'm not being a knob. Indeed they should welcome them - see me coming.

Fastbikegear sell them. Ed does not.

I dunno about Chch, but I had the idea to do the same in jafa land and was told this was not warrantable.

DRLs have to turn off automatically when the headlight comes on. They can't be controlled by a switch.