Seriously?

[Katman]

Rodger wasn't always kind to it either.

[Paul in NZ]

I think we are confusing value with cost...

Collectors are always looking for a unique piece and this bike has provenance and is unique. Arguably, if you had the skills you could easily replicate this bike for a reasonable cost BUT its value is that it has a known racing history from a golden era.

At 17K its not over priced at all (depending on what it will cost to repair the frame). I'd suggest any money invested in this bike will hold its own.

Put it this way - go buy a $25K street bike and ride it 10,000km.... what would you get for it after a year?

[jellywrestler]

$17.500 is only the starting bid! seems there's been two crooked acts here , one the thief who stole it and the other the burglar whose selling!
wonder what a new set of McIntosh triple clamps are worth, rolling chassis don't roll without them eh drew??

[jellywrestler]

passed in with a $20 k reserve.
you gotta wonder how much of an enthusiast this guy is when I (roadbikerider) mentioned I had the original set up and notes book for this machine he didn't even ask for a copy!

[malcy25]

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passed in with a $20 k reserve.
you gotta wonder how much of an enthusiast this guy is when I (roadbikerider) mentioned I had the original set up and notes book for this machine he didn't even ask for a copy!

Spyda, I vaguely know the owner (though it did sell I understand) and given what he has been through with it, which includes a schmick rebuild, write off which tore the forks out, rebuild, sale lined up, stolen, recovered cut in half, he's probably a little "over it".

Those photos of Baypark are interesting, though I think the bike Roger was riding was the second one he had (of 3, the last being the Monoshock bike that Ken still has). You'll note the yellow McIntosh in the background with I think Robert Holden on, I think that is actually the bike (Suzuki Mc #1). Is that Geoff Sell down the back on the Mk1 RG, Norris Farrow on his GS1000S Superbike? 14 is Dave Ogden on his TZ350F McIntosh that he still owns and races.

[malcy25]

In general, obviously everything is only worth what someone will pay, but it is interesting reading some of the comments here. For most contributors it didn't "ring their bell" so to speak, but that does not necessarily make it over priced in the big scheme of things. Anyone tried to buy a McIntosh Suzuki lately, or had Ken build a frame? Interestingly enough in this situation, the seller has....So you could argue he probably does have a good idea what it is worth now and in the future. The motor itself was the original Yoshi built GS1000R that came into the country.

Irrespective, given the various investments I have in the garage,I follow 1970's - 1980's race bike prices and real sale prices recently made this Mc at the price expected, reasonable value given it's provenance. Reference recent sales of 74-75 model TZ750's at 65-70,000 kiwi for bikes with limited history and even a humble 78 model TZ350 of no known history at 17,500 kiwi. You want to build a TZ350 from scratch (You can with some pretty good stuff off the shelf these days) and you are looking at $30k plus. TZ750 engine if you can find one - close to 15000 kiwi, plus shipping and gST etc to get it here. Let alone then having to assemble everything else around it......and much of the TZ stuff is specific to a TZ so you can't just find that stuff anywhere.

A second hand replica manx is $40000+ kiwi in the UK and new one rolling out of Ken's work shop door is easily 30k on top of that. Hell, even tidy late model Clubmans 500cc BSA Gold Stars are 30,000 kiwi second hand.

RC30, OW01....$20-30k NZ easily and climbing fast world wide. RC45 sell at 35k a while back.

[ktm84mxc]

Very well put malcy a bike in NZ is only worth what the NZ market dictates, in Europe there's a much bigger buying public with a large racing program for these machines so prices do reflect this.
As a side note does Jimmy Steadman still have his TZ500 and what would that go for in europe?