Best bike for newbie with money no barrier?

[Glowerss]

Ok so going to take heed if the advice and save the dosh for the 2nd bike and stick to a scorpio/gn250 for the first.

Have to say im quite anxiious about the comments reg WHEN i fall/drop rather then IF...lol...So yea will have to get the nice heavy gear first and find some vast public offroad places in auckland to give them a blast..any recomended public areas around aucks??

And so there are a bunch of each on trademe for around $2k...the scorpio looks a bit nicer/sportier compated to the gn250...what are the differences i should know of to decide? Any particular years of models to avoid?

Scorpios have a bit more grunt to them (IMO anyway) and are just much newer. They are 4k brand new, and are cheap bikes so tend to depreciate quickly.

I had one for 3 months. The only downside to em is they fuckin leech moisture out of the air and make a willing and conscious effort to rust. So long as you CRC it liberally once or twice a month that shouldn't be a problem. Especially as we're coming up to summer. The ginny 250s will do the same shit.

The Chinese made gn250s do tend to fall apart a bit more if neglected. Moreso then the scorpio at any rate. However for the pennies you pay for em, you can beat them pretty badly for years and they'll tend to keep going. Both bikes will be largely bullet proof sort of draining em of oil and seizing the motor or something

Basically, theres nothing in it really between the scorp and the ginny, other then you can find much newer/lower KM/better nic scorpios for the same price. Both bikes are great introductions to riding though. Can't really go wrong with either.

Get a test ride on both of em and buy whichever makes you happiest. Easy!

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-521407353.htm

Im not 100% sure why everyone is talking temp bike for 6months.
Summer will be over in 6 months time.

At 5 foot 10 and 80kg a gn250 or scorp will be learnt in a day and although they will be fine to run to work and back they wont do alot more.

[hellokitty]

Forget how much money you have to spend and buy a second hand trailbike,spend plenty of hours off road learning the basics,its cheap when you fall off,it doesnt hurt as much and you learn far more than wobbling about on road.No doubt not a popular option for the "i want it now" generation but you will be far better in the long run for doing it.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-521407353.htm

Im not 100% sure why everyone is talking temp bike for 6months.
Summer will be over in 6 months time.

At 5 foot 10 and 80kg a gn250 or scorp will be learnt in a day and although they will be fine to run to work and back they wont do alot more.

Get a road legal dirt bike, or a dual purpose bike. Easy to ride and fun. You are taller than me (I am 165cm) - a dirt bike will suit your height better. I outgrew my GN250 in weeks.

[Glowerss]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-521407353.htm

Im not 100% sure why everyone is talking temp bike for 6months.
Summer will be over in 6 months time.

At 5 foot 10 and 80kg a gn250 or scorp will be learnt in a day and although they will be fine to run to work and back they wont do alot more.

Not 6 months, but for somebody who has never ridden anything before, I personally couldn't advise dropping $5,000+ on a bike that they have no idea if it suits them or not. My first bike was a Yamaha Scorpio. Paid 1700$ for it. Rode it for 3 months till I outgrew it. Sold it for .... $1800. A 120kg cheap as shit bike is going to do much more for learning and confidence then an expensive, big, heavy, very shiny cruiser for example

Sides, what's 4 months? Learners have to be on their Ls for 6 months and their Rs for 18 months. That's two bloody years you're restricted. Like, whats the rush, man?

Get a road legal dirt bike, or a dual purpose bike. Easy to ride and fun. You are taller than me (I am 165cm) - a dirt bike will suit your height better. I outgrew my GN250 in weeks.

Or this. Just make sure to sit on one first, as some of em have pretty daunting seat heights.

[hellokitty]

Or this. Just make sure to sit on one first, as some of em have pretty daunting seat heights.

True - make sure you are comfortable swinging your leg that high to get on it! My old BMW650 was very tall, I was on tippy toes but I am quite agile and thought nothing of sticking my leg over my head to get on it! In fact this bike is on the LAMS list - would be a lovely bike to learn on, very easy to ride.

[Goblin]

Forget how much money you have to spend and buy a second hand trailbike,spend plenty of hours off road learning the basics,its cheap when you fall off,it doesnt hurt as much and you learn far more than wobbling about on road.No doubt not a popular option for the "i want it now" generation but you will be far better in the long run for doing it.

This is the best way to go for a learner bike. Off road will teach you more skills in an hour than any ginny or scorpy will in a month on road. They crash/drop well too..just pick it up and carry on.

[hellokitty]

This is the best way to go for a learner bike. Off road will teach you more skills in an hour than any ginny or scorpy will in a month on road. They crash/drop well too..just pick it up and carry on.

Is a safer way to learn - I spent a lot of time on my parent's huge lawn, learning how the bike reacts to my shifting weight, how far I could push it etc with a nice soft landing. Gravel was good too (gravel driveway not road) to get used to the bike moving underneath you. I learnt to ride before I went on the road. Then I could use my concentration on the other idiots on the road, not on trying to stay upright!

[mossy1200]

Not 6 months, but for somebody who has never ridden anything before, I personally couldn't advise dropping $5,000+ on a bike that they have no idea if it suits them or not. My first bike was a Yamaha Scorpio. Paid 1700$ for it. Rode it for 3 months till I outgrew it. Sold it for .... $1800. A 120kg cheap as shit bike is going to do much more for learning and confidence then an expensive, big, heavy, very shiny cruiser for example

Sides, what's 4 months? Learners have to be on their Ls for 6 months and their Rs for 18 months. That's two bloody years you're restricted. Like, whats the rush, man?



Or this. Just make sure to sit on one first, as some of em have pretty daunting seat heights.

Maybe its just me because I am 6.4 and when I ride a gn250 im only comfy sitting on the rear seat. This leaves the bike very light at the front which is fine until you hit a bump leaning in a corner and risk losing the front end or riding in the wet its not ideal.

I had a xl185s first which was fine for size then a rg250f for a few weeks but it was 2 small. Rg400f within the first 6 months and still on learners.
There wasnt any fine for oversized bikes then. Just a license time extension which I never got due to never having the bike size checked by the popo back then.

I guess idd just have gone straight to a gs500f now on the lams list if I was starting out today.
I do agree with the going for a trail ride as i had already riden farm bikes before riding on the road.
Alot will depend on the rider attitude also. Young, dumb and fulla cum then perhaps slow is good.
Happy to not take risks and take your time and I wouldnt buy a little bike.

[Subike]

Happy to not take risks and take your time and I wouldnt buy a little bike.

this is an all good attitude to have before ever getting on a bike, but the twist of the wrist, the thrill of the open road, the adrenaline rush of the moment when you are young, tends to put caution to the wind, something small, gutless and slow is all you need if the above attitude is indeed there.

[mossy1200]

this is an all good attitude to have before ever getting on a bike, but the twist of the wrist, the thrill of the open road, the adrenaline rush of the moment when you are young, tends to put caution to the wind, something small, gutless and slow is all you need if the above attitude is indeed there.

Yes but alot of learner accidents will occur due to lack of respect of what they are riding.
An idiot rider will manage to fall off any bike they ride.
The dumber the rider the more likely they are to hp a ducati 649 lams bike.
Young guys with no brains love to hp things.

I think the mental state of the owner is the most likely cause of a learner rider falling off.

So the question we are asking is does mrcamel have the ability to control his actions?

[p.dath]

If money was no issue idd get a ducati monster 2012 lams but thats 17k

+1. The monster looks like like a real machine on paper.

I also like the new CBR250R.

[mrcamel]

Ok so i think i certainly would take things carefully given im a 33 yr old male...with a prev knee acl injury that im not interested in flaring up again!!

[mossy1200]

Ok so i think i certainly would take things carefully given im a 33 yr old male...with a prev knee acl injury that im not interested in flaring up again!!

So you just answered the most important question. Buy what you want and bypass a temp bike if you trust your judgement and are prepaired to take your time riding less busy roads for the first few weeks.
I never started riding thinking im likely to fall off. I just tried my hardest not to by reducing risks.
Get some good gear and a reliable bike that will hold its value as much as possible.

New bikes drop 2 k almost instantly
Bikes 2 years old have taken the first big drop in value and may drop 500-1000 per year then drop even slower if looked after and havent gone over 40tho km.

[sinfull]

Back to ya car with ya ! Obvious troll !~

[Akzle]

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Get a test ride on both of em and buy whichever makes you happiest. Easy!

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So you just answered the most important question. Buy what you want and bypass a temp bike if you trust your judgement and are prepaired to take your time riding less busy roads for the first few weeks.
I never started riding thinking im likely to fall off. I just tried my hardest not to by reducing risks.
Get some good gear and a reliable bike that will hold its value as much as possible.

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