LAMS logic

[mossy1200]

It's shit.

It's all covered in plastic, they've hidden the kickstart somewhere, there's no sign of a decompressor and it's got no advance adjuster.

And lacking in Monster energy stickers?

[sleemanj]

What do the younger KB members think of them?

That it's too expensive for a second hand learners bike.

[Ocean1]

That it's too expensive for a second hand learners bike.

The sister in law's one sold first day at $5500, she's had to take the phone off the hook.

[FJRider]

Mossy LAMS pick of the week

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-520986789.htm

I think they look every bit as good as a ninja 300 but that may be because im old.
What do the younger KB members think of them?

My pick is this one ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-525476241.htm

This one would be well suitable for the altitude impaired (short) cruiser riders ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-518020879.htm

[mossy1200]

That it's too expensive for a second hand learners bike.

Cheaper than a evoIII

[mossy1200]

My pick is this one ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-525476241.htm

This one would be well suitable for the altitude impaired (short) cruiser riders ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-518020879.htm

Yes. So there is options 2nd hand but it doesnt look like any supplier is making a effort to sell bulk numbers of new bikes at good prices to capture the market and give their dealers a trade back option when those riders get their full license.

Lets say suzuki sells gs500fs at good price with special interest rates and dominates the new lams market. Those riders will have bikes worth 2/3 value when payed off to use as deposit or part payment on future bikes. If half return to same shop and get good trade in value then its protecting the shops and suzukis future. Is it fair to assume if the shop looked after them during the 2 years they would be biased to buying the next bike there also?

[GrayWolf]

It's shit.

It's all covered in plastic, they've hidden the kickstart somewhere, there's no sign of a decompressor and it's got no advance adjuster.

You forgot THE most important bit,, no electrics by Joe Lucas (THE prince of darkness)

[GrayWolf]

That it's too expensive for a second hand learners bike.

The GS500 has been around for some time, it's reliable and I would say one of, if not THE best option overall for LAMs, now if Suzook get their shit together!

[FJRider]

If half return to same shop and get good trade in value then its protecting the shops and suzukis future. Is it fair to assume if the shop looked after them during the 2 years they would be biased to buying the next bike there also?

The average punter would try to sell privately .... to avoid losing the dealers cut of the sale.

Dealer loyalty goes both ways ....

[mossy1200]

The GS500 has been around for some time, it's reliable and I would say one of, if not THE best option overall for LAMs, now if Suzook get their shit together!

Yes
Im saying dont design a new bike. Take what you have. Make it a profit but not to expensive. Load on a ogy nob extra kit and free helmet.
Run a low or no interest loan that matches a licence period in time and chuck in some advertising.

Is this going to sell bikes. I think yes it will.

[sleemanj]

My pick is this one ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-525476241.htm

At 48 thou k's, the thought of checking/adjusting 16 bucket-shim valves - which on the ZZR mean removing the cams to put in any new shims, and the issues that the ZZR has with 2nd gear going bad (not sure if it applies to the 400), and the fact that it seems to have had a bit of a quick tart-up with oil, filter, chain and sprocket, and the fact that it's green like kermit...

[Subike]

I think Mossy is on to sumthing here.
I bought a new small bike for 3 reasons,12mth wof
Im the only one who has thrashed it
warrentee of a new bike over the unseen things not disclosed by previous owner.
@$4460.00 inc onc, I considered it a good buy.
Ok, I expect to loose 50% of its value by the time Im ready to sell it, well aware of that, about $2k
but, have not had to repair anything yet, still on OMS tires (10k) and it goes everyday without fail.
I could have bought a second hand bike for around the same price, one of the more favored learners bikes,
And I also could have spent the same 2K I will loose on in depreciation for repairs tires and issues that were not first seen.
So to be able to buy a new bike on low deposit, as described by Mossey would have been an option I would have taken if it had been available
And a GS550 would be a very good buy, with the trade back option included.

[GrayWolf]

At 48 thou k's, the thought of checking/adjusting 16 bucket-shim valves - which on the ZZR mean removing the cams to put in any new shims, and the issues that the ZZR has with 2nd gear going bad (not sure if it applies to the 400), and the fact that it seems to have had a bit of a quick tart-up with oil, filter, chain and sprocket, and the fact that it's green like kermit...

really this is a 'bum steer' bit of information sleemanj, Yes ZZR's and historically FJ, XS 11/1200's have a similar 'problem', just like the ZZR1100 has an 'issue' with the 3rd cylinder. Yeh an ISSUE only when the bike has been regularly abused to buggery. The 2nd gear 'issue' is usually only apparent on bikes that have been thrashed consistently through the gears. There are thousands of high K's (150,000+)of both FJ/ZZR that never had a 2nd gear problem, just like the ZZR 3rd cylinder... known as an 'issue' if you constantly wheelie/wheel stand and/or dont change the oil regular. I've got a 70k+ FJ in the garage, a 50+k ZZR,........ no farkin worries on either score!

[JafaSaffer]

http://bit.ly/T6cG16

Ninja 300 is going to be a hard bike to beat for learners. Looks the part. And under 10k.

[Subike]

So if you are not in to sports bikes
and want to just relax back and cruise quietly
not look like a race bike rider, or someone entering the isle on man
what would you buy?