LAMS logic

[Jantar]

So if you are not in to sports bikes
and want to just relax back and cruise quietly
not look like a race bike rider, or someone entering the isle on man
what would you buy?

A DL650 Wee Strom

[Glowerss]

A DL650 Wee Strom

No longer on the LAMS list.

[Jantar]

No longer on the LAMS list.

In that case how about a DR650?

[Ocean1]

Or a KTM 525...

Hey! I just realised, I own a bike on the LAMS approved list.
A beginers scooter. Shit, not having that, it's gota go!

[Subike]

so a Yamaha XVS650 would not also be a good choice in this same range?
Does not have to go fast around corners, or climb dirt tracks.
What other Bikes are in this same arena, Hoysung 650?

[JafaSaffer]

So if you are not in to sports bikes
and want to just relax back and cruise quietly
not look like a race bike rider, or someone entering the isle on man
what would you buy?

For non sporty bikes there are some nice options..

Ducati Monster 659 (LAMS Approved) but its quite pricey for a learner at $17 500 or A better option could well be the the 2012 BMW G650 2012 - also LAMS approved and selling new for $12 700 which includes ABS brakes and heated grips.

[Richard Mc F]

Ninja 250 seems to have sold pretty well for close to 10 grand so I have little doubt they will have trouble moving the 300s.

The GS500F doesn't look as cool as the ninja 300 so kids aren't going to buy it. Stick monster energy stickers on any bike and watch it fly out the door. Sad but true.

That Ninja name,I sell hondas, having a pint at yer local there wuz thisn new rider on a green ninja, costs more than tthe cbr250r honda so I asks why? " it's the ninja ting, it's cool"

[Ender EnZed]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-520986789.htm

What do the younger KB members think of them?

I'd much rather have that in my driveway than the Ninja but I know it's a 500. It doesn't look as modern as the little Ninjas, but it's still just a bike with a fairing to most people.

So if you are not in to sports bikes
and want to just relax back and cruise quietly
not look like a race bike rider, or someone entering the isle on man
what would you buy?

A DR650.

If I was currently a L/R licence holder with a 250 and looking for a change I'd be pretty interested in a DRZ400SM.

[Ender EnZed]

What other Bikes are in this same arena, Hoysung 650?

Only the restricted ones. You can't just go on Trademe and buy one for any sort of sensible money to be spending on a first bike.

[Tigadee]

You have the work LAMS in your auction becuase i didnt find yours searching Lams bikes.

Ah! So if I put LAMS in the auction title for my Super Magna, that ought to sell!

Thanks!

[ducatilover]

At 48 thou k's, the thought of checking/adjusting 16 bucket-shim valves - which on the ZZR mean removing the cams to put in any new shims, and the issues that the ZZR has with 2nd gear going bad (not sure if it applies to the 400), and the fact that it seems to have had a bit of a quick tart-up with oil, filter, chain and sprocket, and the fact that it's green like kermit...

So? The only reason you buy a ZZR400 is to put a 600 motor in, the only genuine bolt up 50hp upgrade I've seen.
FWIW, it's not exactly hard to do clearances on one and second gear never shat out (it's not actually the gear that fails) on the 400k, and was fixed by the 400n/600e models. My 600D has 74,000 on it and it's never jumped out of gear.


Personally, I agree with Mossy.
Bring the GS500n and GS500f back, oggy knobs etc and well under 10k (bike prices have become fucking retarded over the last few years...)
The GS would be my pick over the 300 Ninja all day, every day.
More torque, nicer motor in general.
Doesn't look stupid/tacky/like a 14 year old designed it.
Better value.
The asking price on the 300 is just stupid.
Even Hyosungdungs have rocketed in price since '04-'05! Whhhhyyyyy?

IMO Suzuki is the only decent bet to put a proper LAMS bike out there like the 500, at a reasonable price.

[ducatilover]

That Ninja name,I sell hondas, having a pint at yer local there wuz thisn new rider on a green ninja, costs more than tthe cbr250r honda so I asks why? " it's the ninja ting, it's cool"

Why? Because it's less shit.

[Banditbandit]

I dont understand why there isnt a massive attack on the lams bikes.

Remember when suzuki hit the market with rf900s at $9995.00 .
So many sold.

Why hasnt the like of Suzuki hit the market with gs500f lams for 8k

Lets say they did and had $1500 deposit and 24months interest free to match the learners period licence.
Lets say they put crash bungs on the frame front axel and swing arm as a lams addition.

Would they flood the market and create a market that trades in that bike at the suzuki dealership on a larger bike later.

It seems to me the lams bike specials are beyond the price a learner will pay.
Is 10k to much for a ninja 300 to sell in bulk.

$1500 deposit and $65 per week finance would suit alot of first time bike owners???

The GS500 has been around for some time, it's reliable and I would say one of, if not THE best option overall for LAMs, now if Suzook get their shit together!

Because, you bunch of ingorant dicks .. Suzuki has got it's shit together ... they didn't produce a GS500 LAMS because they made a GSX650F LAMS bike ... and it is just under 10 grand ...

Go here ...

http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/...50f-lams-14287

This apparently has 48 horses - compared with the standard 650 of around 75 horses ...

[ckai]

I wonder if it's simply because most people (sellers and first time buyers alike) don't knows it exists. I've got a LAMS bike up for sale fairly cheap (2.5k) in fairly good nic. But because it's an odd capacity rating, no calls even in the month it's been up for sale.

Yip. Unless you're quite a bit into the whole bike thing, i.e. read news and follow shit, you're not gonna have a clue. Had a look at a bike for mummy dearest and the sellers had no idea the rules were changing.

[Glowerss]

Because, you bunch of ingorant dicks .. Suzuki has got it's shit together ... they didn't produce a GS500 LAMS because they made a GSX650F LAMS bike ... and it is just under 10 grand ...

Go here ...

http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/...50f-lams-14287

This apparently has 48 horses - compared with the standard 650 of around 75 horses ...

Three points. A) That's $10,000 AUSD. Which means they'll charge $14,000 for it here (they already are. You can find em on trademe). Which is ludicrous. They'd have to sell those here for exactly the same amount to make it worthwhile, which they wont do.

B) Those things are fucking heavy. Like, bandit 1250 weight heavy. I think those things are 216kg DRY, and some 240kg ready to go. That's a fuckton of weight for somebody who has never ridden before. Especially with all that shiny plastic to tip over onto.

C) the GS500f is better then that in every concievable way. They'd be much cheaper to make/maintain, they're boatloads lighter, get way better fuel economy, look nearly as good, and actually they put out slightly more power then the gsx650f.

If suzuki was selling the GS500f for 7 or 8k new, which I can't see why they couldn't considering its been the same bike since like the mid 80s, I could see many of them selling. I remember reading somewhere that the gs500f is the most popular LAMS bike in aus by leaps and bounds. Not hard to see why.