LAMS logic

[manxkiwi]

It's about $18k worth of restrictors and plastic. I don't know if Suzuki NZ will sell you one but I'd hope not.

Thought as much. I'm not after one, just couldn't work out why it was in Kiwi mags as LAMS approved. I'm sure it still is (as was) easier to just get through your learners on a cheap wee thing. Then go for whatever you like, simple.

[Banditbandit]

The thread is about the intent to hit the market hard by the suppliers, importers and distributers.

Guess your comment makes you an IGNORANT DICK as you like to call it.

Yeah - I got that ... I was making the point that Suzuki has produced a LAMS bike - a detuned version of the 650 Bandit .. The GS500 is also on the LAMS list ... and it is NOT a detuned version ...

Other manufacturers, like Ducati (Monster Lite) have specifically targetted learners with purpose-built bikes ... and have other models which are learner approved

The complete list (to date) is here ... (and the ignorance comment was also aimed at the discussion around GS500 which should be a LAMS bike .. when it already is .. )

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...torcycles.html

I'll be there are a few people here who have got their licences and wilol be surprised and pissed off to learn they are still riding Learner Approved Motorcycles ( heh heh) ..

[Banditbandit]

To make a gsx650l they needed it to be porky because the hp was to high. I think they picked the wrong bike for the job.

Yes. I agree. Having ridden a 650 Bandit pretty much daily for 5 years I think it would be a bit on the heavy side at 48 horses ... at 75 horses it's fucking fun .. and things happen very quickly ... I would not recommend one to someone without a fair modicum of expereince.

[Glowerss]

Seems like Suzuki is way ahead of all of us. I was looking through trademe and spotted these.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-528820008.htm

While they may not be a larger capacity bike, they look the fucking business. And with a parallel twin fuel injected motor at only 5.5k brand new, they're bloody spanking good value for money.

Why the fuck are Fuel Injected ninja 250s 8.5k+ brand new?

[mossy1200]

Seems like Suzuki is way ahead of all of us. I was looking through trademe and spotted these.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-528820008.htm

While they may not be a larger capacity bike, they look the fucking business. And with a parallel twin fuel injected motor at only 5.5k brand new, they're bloody spanking good value for money.

Why the fuck are Fuel Injected ninja 250s 8.5k+ brand new?

Yeah if they added a gs500 at 8k to the learner list and run some advertising they could sell plenty of both bikes.

[ducatilover]

I saw the release for the Inazumanaumnuma thing a while back, all over it's a funky looking bike. Very well priced compared to the Kawaoverratedsaki 250/300 Nunjah.
The headlight is a bit fucked up looking though...

There's a nude single cyl CBR250 on the market overseas, not sure if we have them? The new CBR has a sexxxxy frame

[Glowerss]

I saw the release for the Inazumanaumnuma thing a while back, all over it's a funky looking bike. Very well priced compared to the Kawaoverratedsaki 250/300 Nunjah.
The headlight is a bit fucked up looking though...

There's a nude single cyl CBR250 on the market overseas, not sure if we have them? The new CBR has a sexxxxy frame

I just don't understand why the suzuki hardasfucktoremembername is a full 3-4k cheaper then the kwackas. It isn't as though the suzukis are lacking in the tech department. They have some really flash stuff on their 250 twins. Not sure why kawasaki continues to get away with blatantly stupid pricing.

[nerrrd]

Seems like Suzuki is way ahead of all of us. I was looking through trademe and spotted these.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-528820008.htm

While they may not be a larger capacity bike, they look the fucking business. And with a parallel twin fuel injected motor at only 5.5k brand new, they're bloody spanking good value for money.

Why the fuck are Fuel Injected ninja 250s 8.5k+ brand new?

Holy moly, that is pretty good value alright. Makes the CBR single and Ninjas look waaaay overpriced. What's the catch, I wonder?

[FJRider]

Not sure why kawasaki continues to get away with blatantly stupid pricing.

Maybe it's the blatantly good build quality ...

[Ender EnZed]

What's the catch, I wonder?

I think they're made in China. Still, at $3k less than the competition they look like excellent value for a new 250.

[ducatilover]

I just don't understand why the suzuki hardasfucktoremembername is a full 3-4k cheaper then the kwackas. It isn't as though the suzukis are lacking in the tech department. They have some really flash stuff on their 250 twins. Not sure why kawasaki continues to get away with blatantly stupid pricing.

Kawasaki seems to keep upping the prices on the smaller bikes, the GPZ/X/ZZR250 or whatever the fucked they called the old looking one was pretty well priced and was the EX250J/Ninja 250R thing when it came out, but they keep sneaking the price up
Same thing with the Hyoderp 250s, they were ceap when they came out and consistantly went up... or and the VTR250
The Kwaka has no advatnage in techy speccy crap, and it sure isn't worth a few grand more than the Suzuki whatthefuckdidyoucallit

Maybe it's the blatantly good build quality ...

I'll blatantly deny that

[Glowerss]

Maybe it's the blatantly good build quality ...

I've got a ZZR250. The build quality doesn't seem to be any better or worse then any of the other Japanese bikes. Certainly not the better part of $4,000 better.

The suzuki dealerships, however, aren't doing themselves any favors listing them on trademe under the "tourer" category. Nobody fuckin looks for a "tourer" 250. Essentially thats the dealers going "Right, I've got 2 feet, I'll shoot that one".

Reckon they'd move a hell of a lot more out the door if they sat right in the middle price wise in the sports category of trademe in the midst of all the 4 year old 30k KM ninjas.

Slightly unrelated, but I wonder how those inazuma thingers go.They only have a 10k RPM redline vs the kwackas 13k. You have to rev the nuts off of the kwackas to get em goin. Would make for a nicer ride if they had more useable torque. Sounds like suzuki have gone that route.

[GSF]

It's about $18k worth of restrictors and plastic. I don't know if Suzuki NZ will sell you one but I'd hope not.

I saw it mentioned online and I asked the guys at Coleman's if they had heard of the GSX-R600U, they had never heard of it and thought I was a crazy man.

[ducatilover]

Would make for a nicer ride if they had more useable torque. Sounds like suzuki have gone that route.

It's a 250 twin, you have to rev fuck out of it either way

Buy a ZZR400 slam a 600 motor in it, flip it and die LAMS win

[arcane12]

Just looking at the specs of the new Ninja 300, and they list it at 29 KW. The Inazuma doesn't list the power, but a google turned up 26 BHP (~19KW). And the suzuki is a heavier bike. But yeah a 250 'tourer'? Plus the stats don't really tell us how it really is on the road.

The other thing is it's no longer ~9 months to full, so any new biker, regardless of age, are looking at 2 years before they can buy a non-LAMS bike. Still starting out on a little nippy 250, and then after a few months going up to a bigger LAMS bike worked well for me.