It's indestructable biker season again!

[Phantom Limb]

I get a giggle going when the "I'm tougher than you because I don't wear gear" types show up.

I would be seriously surprised if those who are against wearing their gear have ever tasted the icy bite of the tarmac. Once you know that pain, you'll be covering up like the rest I'm sure. That is unless you've a chemical imbalance in the grey matter, or none at all

[bogan]

I pay my own ACC and I'm not one of the sport bike riders that have fucked it for everybody else with their 200k crap,I ride because I enjoy it,I do what ever I like "within the law,,,and all the cotten wrapped soft cocks in the world won't change that.

Somehow I don't think it the 'cotton wrapped soft cocks' would want you to ride outside the law anyway A 200k (I assume you mean kmh) crap would be something to see, that shit would go everywhere; it would certainly teach those 'cotton wrapped soft cocks' who disobey the 2 second rule a thing or two.

[GTRMAN]

It's true, what we choose to wear when riding is entirely a personal choice, and like all personal choices we are responsible for the consequences of that choice.

My thoughts are that it comes down to the perceived or actual risk of the situation. An example is a roller coaster, lots of people really enjoy them, the adrenalin and the g-forces make for a fun ride. In that situation the perceived risk is high so you get that 'on the edge' excitement, but the actual risk is extremely low. When we are on a motorcycle the same thing is true, except that the perceived risk can be lower (I'm safe, I know what I am doing, I've never had an accident...) and the actual risk is extremely high (when things go wrong they tend to go VERY wrong).

In my mind wearing the right gear mitigates the actual risk just a little, will is stop you from getting hurt when or if the need to use it arises? Well, no it won't. Will it reduce the amount or severity of said damage? Yes, and even if just a little then that makes it worthwhile in my book.

Back to the issue of personal choice, the real kicker is that we are never the only ones affected by those choices, if you have children would you care not a bit that you may remove or compromise your ability to parent that child due to your choice to wear or not wear some safety gear? Low blow maybe and I have a mental picture of Maud Flanders crying 'won't someone please think of the children'

Here's a thought, maybe what you wear or don't wear when riding isn't the issue, maybe the way you ride or don't ride isn't the issue, maybe whether you wave to bikes, trikes, cars, trucks or llamas isn't the issue. Maybe it is the paradigm behind it all that is the issue. Not what you think or how you think or behave, but why you think or behave that way.

As you were.

[Drew]

I get a giggle going when the "I'm tougher than you because I don't wear gear" types show up.

I would be seriously surprised if those who are against wearing their gear have ever tasted the icy bite of the tarmac. Once you know that pain, you'll be covering up like the rest I'm sure. That is unless you've a chemical imbalance in the grey matter, or none at all

If what you've written here is anything to go by, I seriously question your ability to read.

No one has said they're too tough for the gear.

What i am saying, is that it is not a riders biggest safety device. His or her ability should be, but alas most are lacking!

[duckonin]

Yay! :-(

Sorry pet hate of mine ... people riding bikes wearing a T-Shirt, no gloves and light trousers or shorts :-(

Or are the local bikers made of stuff tougher than kevlar ?

Biggest trouble in life, too many arseholes wanting to be invloved in another persons life. You take 'your' own risks let them take theirs..

And yeah yeah I know ACC and all that fucken drama ! Get on with your own life.

[G4L4XY]

Ohhh those ads omg ATGATT from now on, even to work shizzz

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's true, what we choose to wear when riding is entirely a personal choice, and like all personal choices we are responsible for the consequences of that choice.

My thoughts are that it comes down to the perceived or actual risk of the situation. An example is a roller coaster, lots of people really enjoy them, the adrenalin and the g-forces make for a fun ride. In that situation the perceived risk is high so you get that 'on the edge' excitement, but the actual risk is extremely low. When we are on a motorcycle the same thing is true, except that the perceived risk can be lower (I'm safe, I know what I am doing, I've never had an accident...) and the actual risk is extremely high (when things go wrong they tend to go VERY wrong).

In my mind wearing the right gear mitigates the actual risk just a little, will is stop you from getting hurt when or if the need to use it arises? Well, no it won't. Will it reduce the amount or severity of said damage? Yes, and even if just a little then that makes it worthwhile in my book.

Back to the issue of personal choice, the real kicker is that we are never the only ones affected by those choices, if you have children would you care not a bit that you may remove or compromise your ability to parent that child due to your choice to wear or not wear some safety gear? Low blow maybe and I have a mental picture of Maud Flanders crying 'won't someone please think of the children'

Here's a thought, maybe what you wear or don't wear when riding isn't the issue, maybe the way you ride or don't ride isn't the issue, maybe whether you wave to bikes, trikes, cars, trucks or llamas isn't the issue. Maybe it is the paradigm behind it all that is the issue. Not what you think or how you think or behave, but why you think or behave that way.

As you were.

This is very sensible stuff. I think we should stop now

[GTRMAN]

This is very sensible stuff. I think we should stop now

my bad.....

[SPman]

Don't ignore summer biker sexism either. I am amazed at the riders one sees out with BFF, or prospective BFF, on the back wearing street clothes (including shoes and a fashion leather jacket) and a helmet that doesn't fit properly.

Sexually transmitted diseases are one thing, sexually affected carnage is something else entirely. Ladies, if his cock's that small that he's prepared to put you at risk for a root, look elsewhere. Seriously.

Hey - the missus used to ride her Suzi T20 in high heels and mini skirt! (and a .32 Automatic on her person - it was Jo'burg in the '70s......) only skin she ever lost was a face plant from a trail bike, wearing an open face helmet.......

[Subike]

Never had any complaints from anyone when my first wife pillioned wearing an 11 inch leather skirt, a leather g-string, thigh boots, and a leather jacket...-----adequate riding leathers? MMmmm, wonder why I was always asked to lead the pack

[FJRider]

... What i am saying, is that it is not a riders biggest safety device. His or her ability should be, but alas most are lacking!

The riders ability counts for nothing ... if the fucktard in the car/SUV/Truck are incapable of demonstrating their ability to control their vehicle.

Stupid people do stupid things.

A motorcyclist can be doing it right ... and still get clobbered.

The motorcyclist that feels they are being/getting paranoid when they ride ... are in the right train of thought ...

The tar seal doesn't get softer in summer ... but as for the blood stains on the tarmac .... they will disappear in the next shower of rain.

[FJRider]

Never had any complaints from anyone when my first wife pillioned wearing an 11 inch leather skirt, a leather g-string, thigh boots, and a leather jacket...-----adequate riding leathers? MMmmm, wonder why I was always asked to lead the pack

Was it a skirt ... or just a wide belt ... ??

[Drew]

The riders ability counts for nothing ... if the fucktard in the car/SUV/Truck are incapable of demonstrating their ability to control their vehicle.

Stupid people do stupid things.

A motorcyclist can be doing it right ... and still get clobbered.

The motorcyclist that feels they are being/getting paranoid when they ride ... are in the right train of thought ...

The tar seal doesn't get softer in summer ... but as for the blood stains on the tarmac .... they will disappear in the next shower of rain.

There ya go, saying shit to make me call you names again.

I cannot think of a single crash that I've had, I couldn't have avoided. Including the two cars that I got dotted by.

[FJRider]

There ya go, saying shit to make me call you names again.

I cannot think of a single crash that I've had, I couldn't have avoided. Including the two cars that I got dotted by.

I can't think of a single crash ... I didn't have ...

All (well most of) the crashes I've had I've lost blood.

Couldn't ... isn't ... didn't ...

[Drew]

I can't think of a single crash ... I didn't have ...

All (well most of) the crashes I've had I've lost blood.

Couldn't ... isn't ... didn't ...

I've not lost blood in many, but the last car that I hit pulled out in front of me, and shattered my leg.

I still could have easily gotten round the front or back of the car, if I'd had my shit together.