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[chasio]

I'm thinking of starting an incorporated society to be called "The Howard League for Penile Reform": It can be a support group for men with tiny penises (so, half of KB) and pre-operative transsexuals (the other half of KB).

Who's in?

Based on your criteria, the only logical answer to that question is, "Who would ever know?".

[HenryDorsetCase]

I thought it was because he is a lawyer.

To many times judges throw cases out when they are as guilty as sin, be that for a typo or such.
Lawyers (defense) are filthier than the crim's they defend and the courts pander too them as not to get appealed against.

As for this case, yes the cops fucked up in trying to get some street cred for the under cover cop. Doesn't mean that the case should be thrown out. It's not like it was an illegal search that found stuff for the case.
The cops should pay for a right royal fuck up but the case should still go ahead and see what other evidence there is.

Just more case against judges, and lawyers, that don't live in the real world.

And as for HDC post on the crimes act, don't make me laugh, ever seen a crim get punished for ling under oath? not fucking likely.

After years of seeing criminals get away with every type of crime I have had enough but like you say what changes? SFA. and you wonder why the cops just don't give a shit anymore.

you don't know many lawyers or cops do you? and you haven't read what I posted, or any of the commentary have you?

This is not a case where some "typo" allowed a "crim" to "get off". This is a case of cowboy cops rorting the system. It strikes at the heart of what the justice system is, and what it does, it blurs the boundary between the executive and the judiciary, and damn right the charges had to have been dropped. In your post above the "Crim getting punished for lying under oath" would have been a policeman. Do you understand now, or are you just going back to sucking on the tit of the (Not very) sensible sentencing trust?

[HenryDorsetCase]

no. the courts are the crime. they stand, they allow these filthy animals called lawyers to play semantic games with other people's fates, without full disclosure, and they employ these failed-lawyers to make decisions about shit.
good fucken deal. or not.

is there a point in there somewhere?

[BoristheBiter]

you don't know many lawyers or cops do you? and you haven't read what I posted, or any of the commentary have you?

This is not a case where some "typo" allowed a "crim" to "get off". This is a case of cowboy cops rorting the system. It strikes at the heart of what the justice system is, and what it does, it blurs the boundary between the executive and the judiciary, and damn right the charges had to have been dropped. In your post above the "Crim getting punished for lying under oath" would have been a policeman. Do you understand now, or are you just going back to sucking on the tit of the (Not very) sensible sentencing trust?

Actually I know a lot of cops and they all hate Lawyers even more than I do.
They are lower than car salesman.

And the way I read it was it has nothing to do with any charges against the red devils and only to do with the undercover cop so it has no bearing on this case.

this is a case where some cred was needed and the courts wouldn't help, so my OP still stands, the judges just help the crims.

and seeing you brought it up if the judges handed out proper sentences we wouldn't need the SST.
But then there wouldn't be any need for all the lawyers so no wounder you don't like them.

[Bikemad]

who are these red devil retards...........i thought the lost breed were the only gang allowed in nelson........according to them anyway

[Banditbandit]

I thought it was because he is a lawyer.

To many times judges throw cases out when they are as guilty as sin, be that for a typo or such.

I give up .. How many?

And what if the cops fuck up and get guilty verdicts on innocent people? David Bain? Arthur Allan Thomas, Scott Watson maybe? As HDC points out .. happens to them can happen to you ...

Lawyers (defense) are filthier than the crim's they defend and the courts pander too them as not to get appealed against.

The defense lawyers are obliged to bring up anything they can to help their clients ... that is the law and that's their job ... there have been cases overturned because the defense lawyer did not do the best job they could ...

[Banditbandit]

no. the courts are the crime. they stand, they allow these filthy animals called lawyers to play semantic games with other people's fates, without full disclosure, and they employ these failed-lawyers to make decisions about shit.
good fucken deal. or not.

Which lawyers are you talking about? The Prosection lawyer, who's job is to paint the defendent black as sin ... or the Defense lawyer, whose job is to paint them white as snow?

Both are biased .. but I know which side the majority of you people believe ...

[Banditbandit]

So what they are saying is the cops made some shit up so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of it they are not guilty?

Only judges in NZ

No .. what the court is saying is:

"cops swore a false oath to a court so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of that the evidence is tainted and the cops can not PROVE GUILT."

Not Guilty does not necessarily mean that they did not do whatever they were accussed of ... it can also mean that the cops cannot prove it ...

[rastuscat]

Next time someone tells you that the Police reputation has suffered due to the merger with the MoT recall this and all the other Popo cock-ups.

[Muppet]

Next time someone tells you that the Police reputation has suffered due to the merger with the MoT recall this and all the other Popo cock-ups.

Wasn't the merger 20 years ago?

[BoristheBiter]

I give up .. How many?

And what if the cops fuck up and get guilty verdicts on innocent people? David Bain? Arthur Allan Thomas, Scott Watson maybe? As HDC points out .. happens to them can happen to you ...



The defense lawyers are obliged to bring up anything they can to help their clients ... that is the law and that's their job ... there have been cases overturned because the defense lawyer did not do the best job they could ...

Well only one of those is innocent and just because they are doing they job doesn't mean they aren't filth.

No .. what the court is saying is:

"cops swore a false oath to a court so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of that the evidence is tainted and the cops can not PROVE GUILT."

Not Guilty does not necessarily mean that they did not do whatever they were accused of ... it can also mean that the cops cannot prove it ...

But the case with the cop had nothing to do with the case against the red devils so no the evidence is not tainted it is just more abuse of judges powers.
Fucking wankers the lot of them.

[tri boy]

And the way I read it was it has nothing to do with any charges against the red devils and only to do with the undercover cop so it has no bearing on this case.

So, the senior inspectors who OK'd the others to technically purger themselves in applying for the court to allow them to mislead both the judicial system,(which should always be seen as clean and independent, in a democratic society), and the NZ public, is totally irrelevant to the case at hand?
Tell me you are taking the piss, please.

[SPman]

Oh...it just gets better....

In a second case involving the Red Devils another judge was so concerned about a raid on club premises that he threw out charges against 28 people. Many are among the accused whose charges were dismissed yesterday.

The swoop on a barbecue at the Red Devils Motorcycle Club in Nelson was part of a two-year bid to snare gang members. About 50 people were at the August 2010 function and police suspected liquor laws were being broken.

However, in July this year Judge Chris Tuohy ruled out evidence because it was "improperly obtained" through "a series of breaches of the defendants' rights, some of which were significant infringements".

Officers had obtained search warrants to search the property but not individuals. After finding a small amount of drugs, they searched the party guests. Judge Tuohy said entry was "unlawful and unreasonable" as police chainsawed through fences despite being let through the front gate.

Judge Tuohy also said there was "no lawful basis" for the seizure of cash from guests. Some of those at the party were left with no money to get home, he said.

They were not adequately informed of their rights and were detained for a "unjustified length of time" in a cold yard in the early hours of a winter morning.

All 28 faced a charge of being on an unlicensed premises.

Just WTF is going on - not very professional behaviour by the polis at all - 2 cases thrown out because of cowboy behaviour - oh well - just get Judith to change the law again......and as for O'Connor.......

[Road kill]

Well only one of those is innocent and just because they are doing they job doesn't mean they aren't filth.



But the case with the cop had nothing to do with the case against the red devils so no the evidence is not tainted it is just more abuse of judges powers.
Fucking wankers the lot of them.

The case against the devils was "all about" the cops evidence,without that they had nothing but they tried to cheat the system an got caught out.

Personally I find it very hard to believe any ranking copper could of believed he would get away with this bullshit.

In fact who ever it was really needs to be looked at very closely because it was way more than just a mistake.

[Akzle]

is there a point in there somewhere?

there is, but it's nothing to move the discussion forward...

Which lawyers are you talking about? The Prosection lawyer, who's job is to paint the defendent black as sin ... or the Defense lawyer, whose job is to paint them white as snow?

Both are biased ..

neither of them are biased. each has a job to do. and does it to the best of their ability.
that job, is read the script and put on the best act. if there were four judges sitting there drinking coke, and one was simon cowel, i think it'd be a lot clearer to the general public exactly what it's about.

Next time someone tells you that the Police reputation has suffered due to the merger with the MoT recall this and all the other Popo cock-ups.

he's right. that was a long time ago. it lowered the public perception of the politzei.
but you can't tell me that it was only the MoT (failed cop) boys that are the rot in the instrument of the crown known as the police,
...can ya?

Well only one of those is innocent and just because they are doing they job doesn't mean they aren't filth.

But the case with the cop had nothing to do with the case against the red devils so no the evidence is not tainted it is just more abuse of judges powers.
Fucking wankers the lot of them.

while the end result is correct, your working is a bit off.
but hey, if you'd believe the cops, the ((often falsely) perceived) end justifies the means, eh?

So, the senior inspectors who OK'd the others to technically purger themselves in applying for the court...

perjure*
from latin. per jurare: to swear.

to apply is to beg. no-one is obliged to beg for anything. when you beg "the court", they are not obliged to accept your begging/"application." this is what has happened, as far as i've heard.

Personally I find it very hard to believe any ranking copper could of believed he would get away with this bullshit.

In fact who ever it was really needs to be looked at very closely because it was way more than just a mistake.

i love your.... naiivety for lack of a better word. niceness?... something.
the stasi of modern day NZ are a sick, corrupt manifestation of a deeper collective psychosis. they are the front line agents of the government. if they're trying this on, imagine what the govt is doing behind the scenes ("i can't recall" - nixon much?)

i seriously believe the govt is just pushing the limits with this "raid people until they start shooting back" campaign. then we get a terrorism act/bill.