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[Road kill]

I know their not green,but at lest try reading between the lines mate..FFS.

Oh yeah forgot to add,,NZ already has anti terrorism laws.

Time to remove the tin foil hat mate.

[tbs]

there is, but it's nothing to move the discussion forward...
neither of them are biased. each has a job to do. and does it to the best of their ability.
that job, is read the script and put on the best act. if there were four judges sitting there drinking coke, and one was simon cowel, i think it'd be a lot clearer to the general public exactly what it's about.


he's right. that was a long time ago. it lowered the public perception of the politzei.
but you can't tell me that it was only the MoT (failed cop) boys that are the rot in the instrument of the crown known as the police,
...can ya?



while the end result is correct, your working is a bit off.
but hey, if you'd believe the cops, the ((often falsely) perceived) end justifies the means, eh?


perjure*
from latin. per jurare: to swear.

to apply is to beg. no-one is obliged to beg for anything. when you beg "the court", they are not obliged to accept your begging/"application." this is what has happened, as far as i've heard.




i love your.... naiivety for lack of a better word. niceness?... something.
the stasi of modern day NZ are a sick, corrupt manifestation of a deeper collective psychosis. they are the front line agents of the government. if they're trying this on, imagine what the govt is doing behind the scenes ("i can't recall" - nixon much?)

i seriously believe the govt is just pushing the limits with this "raid people until they start shooting back" campaign. then we get a terrorism act/bill.

Time to take your meds Alzle..... Or lay off them a bit maybe.... That paranoia is really starting to bite.


In this case you should be glad the judges decided the way they did. Failure to do so would have opened the door to interminably drawn out appeals to higher courts which tax-payers like myself (but not you obviously) would have had to fund.

[Conquiztador]

I could not care less what happens to the Red Devils. But for the police to use tactics from a B grade movie to try to get the result they wanted scares me. In this case it did not work out, they did a very crappy job and now all know about it. But what about all the other times similar tactics have been used and they have gotten away with it...

[scumdog]

But what about all the other times similar tactics have been used and they have gotten away with it...

It would be like the 'tree falling in the woods when nobody was there - does it make a noise' sort of thing...

[Conquiztador]

It would be like the 'tree falling in the woods when nobody was there - does it make a noise' sort of thing...

Not for the ones sitting in jail for something they did not do...

[Banditbandit]

I know their not green,but at lest try reading between the lines mate..FFS.

Read between the lines? Shit .. many here have only just learnt to colour between the lines .. a few have graduated to being able to ride between the lines ... Read between the lines might be asking a bit much ...

[Banditbandit]

It would be like the 'tree falling in the woods when nobody was there - does it make a noise' sort of thing...

You mean .. If you do something wrong and don't get caught is it still wrong???

[SPman]

You mean .. If you do something wrong and don't get caught is it still wrong???

In this current climate - it doesn't appear to be wrong even if you are caught! Just deny every thing, blame everyone else, and wait for it all to die down....before the next pile of shit hits the fan - classic sociopathic behaviour..........

[Conquiztador]

In this current climate - it doesn't appear to be wrong even if you are caught! Just deny every thing, blame everyone else, and wait for it all to die down....before the next pile of shit hits the fan - classic sociopathic behaviour..........

Or...the behaviour of someone who has come to the conclusion that the plebs do not know what is best for them.

[Akzle]

Or...the behaviour of someone who has come to the conclusion that the plebs do not know what is best for them.

of course they don't. if they did, why would they "elect" someone else to make decisions for them?

[mashman]

The rules of the game only apply to one side, sure, but they do apply to that side, otherwise its anarchy, and Mr Akzle will be in charge. And no one wants that.

I reckon I could handle it. You on the other hand.......

It only ever goes to reinforce the them and us attitude. There's no way in hell they can ban motorcycle gangs and there's no way in hell they have the resources to keep tabs on the "bad guys" 24/7... although the police could at least make the effort to follow the rules.

[Conquiztador]

Editorial: Red Devils bring a black day for police


OPINION: It doesn't get much worse than this for the New Zealand Police and it is especially painful that their shame is centred on Nelson.
Instead of ridding the city of a new gang threat, they've left the Red Devils riding high. Instead of showing they are on top of new criminal activity before it gets a foothold, they've exposed a self-centred, careless culture that ought to have every law-abiding New Zealander asking that important age-old question: who will guard the guards themselves?

In throwing out charges against 21 members or associates of the Red Devils Justice France has not equivocated. Police bosses must have winced at every page of the lengthy judgment. Calling the police reckless and their conduct surprising, unwise and fraudulent, the High Court judge decided that there was criminality in some of what they did. Their actions involved "serious misuse of the court, and a troubling misunderstanding of its functions". He concluded that "the court's processes have been abused in a significant way".

The decision is a disturbing read. Justice France identifies a long list of what can generously be called misjudgments on the part of the police involved in Operation Explorer. They range from forging a warrant - something the judge says was not done in good faith - to lying on oath by a "constable X". Police can count themselves lucky if no charges are laid against them, something Justice France says is ultimately a decision for other authorities. Crystal clear, though, is an arrogance in relation to this operation. There was ample time for those running it to take advice, the judge says, and the failure to do so was a principal flaw in their conduct.

Make no mistake. Criminal gangs are not wanted in our region. The great majority of residents will applaud Nelson Bays area commander Steve Greally's avowed intention to maintain an unceasing focus on them - and it is the police's Organised and Financial Crime Agency, not the Nelson police, who are carrying the can for this appalling botch-up. Nevertheless, there is a lot of ground to be made up before the public can be certain that the police both here and around New Zealand fully understand that they are subject to the law of the land just like everyone else.

As for Police Association president Greg O'Connor, he has surely demonstrated that he has reached his use-by date as the union head. Over a long period in the role, Mr O'Connor has frequently filled the void when the actual police leaders offer little or no comment in response to criticism. He has been a staunch defender of the front-liners but, like "Comical Ali", who in 2003 maintained Iraq's invulnerability as the US tanks could be seen rolling into Baghdad behind him, the union leader can no longer be taken seriously. What the police did is indefensible. Neither Mr O'Connor nor anyone in the management hierarchy should be suggesting anything contrary to that, or planning anything other than a solemn, heartfelt apology. As a rule, New Zealanders respect and back their police. But this firm court judgment knocks another chip from the enamel. The police must take the lessons on board or their image will be further tarnished.

[scumdog]

Editorial: Red Devils bring a black day for police


OPINION: It doesn't get much worse than this for the New Zealand Police and it is especially painful that their shame is centred on Nelson.
Instead of ridding the city of a new gang threat, they've left the Red Devils riding high. Instead of showing they are on top of new criminal activity before it gets a foothold, they've exposed a self-centred, careless culture that ought to have every law-abiding New Zealander asking that important age-old question: who will guard the guards themselves?

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I's an opinion from Nelson, New Zealands version of California - tha "Land of nuts and fruits" - any opinion from that province is bound to be weird and distorted...

[scumdog]

The rules of the game only apply to one side, sure, but they do apply to that side, otherwise its anarchy, and Mr Akzle will be in charge. And no one wants that.

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Fuck no, we certainly don't want THAT!

[Akzle]

I's an opinion from Nelson, New Zealands version of California - tha "Land of nuts and fruits" - any opinion from that province is bound to be weird and distorted...

12, 615 posts.

has even ONE of them been fucken useful?

you're worse than me. i mean. i troll, but you....