Twins with better performance than a 97 TL1000S?

[98tls]

Or how about a piece of Italian art ?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-525067569.htm

Very nice but if his budget goes to a TLS then methinks not.Be nice to have it in the shed though.

[jim.cox]

nice to have it in the shed though.

But even nicer to ride

[ducatilover]

Yea heard a few myself over the years,mostly starting with "my mate had one blah blah blah".I must have about every bike mag that featured them from new,poms seemed to moan the most about the handling (nothing new there) whereas i can remember one journo from a still publishing NZ bike mag say "ive had more head shake from a GSXR750" which isnt particularly famous for bad handling.Poor old TLS was on a hiding to nothing from the get go when at the release in Florida (from memory) some lunatic French journo attempted the impossible and ended up with 2 broken ankles,then a few pom owners planted themselves in hedgerows and the rests history.Ive ridden mine pretty hard over the years and only once did it give me any reason to contract my arsehole.As i said earlier TLSs and old wives tales go hand in hand,have to laugh at some of the crap over the years "widow maker"can understand the term being used on some of the old Kwaka triples but the harmless old S...

Now that I think about it I've only heard a story from one owner, the rest of them have been as you say.
But, thinking even more, the one my mate had could have had a rooted shock anyway.
I bet they're not as slappy as my hotted Bros650 was... that thing was fucked in the head, proper scary (then I slappered it too hard and fell off at a decent pace)
I remember the Pommy journos going on about how shit handling the VTR1000f is, and I personally don't think they're that bad.

Giz a go on yours bro

[mulletman]

OMG, I'm so sorry to be the one to do this, but that title was just begging for this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj1SyWntdo4

Now infract me for being I'll take my punishment like a big girl

Ha ha that wins hands down ... or up and your punishment

[mulletman]

TL power here...http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-470151199.htm

Those are quite small bikes ,

[brp]

Do all the dukes suggested have to have belts etc changed at 20,000 KM ?

98tls - Why a 97 ? - cause I've bought into the BS of the full power model - your word does me !

Even on the TL forums guys that "seem" quite experienced say there is a difference - bigger inlet valves
to provide more top end so feel more brutal, later models have more bottom more mid range (one point I read)

Low down grunt suits me anyway

I looked up the inlet valves on bike bandit for the 97 and other years and they carry the same part number

ECU seems to be different - talk of fuel mapping problems with 97 ECU - want confusion do bike research on the internet lolollllll

Yeah I'll just be patient and wait for right one to come up, got dusty butt coming up so will be building up ride fitness on XR anyway

Cheers All

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5b7_1237729780

[Fatjim]

Yea heard a few myself over the years,mostly starting with "my mate had one blah blah blah".I must have about every bike mag that featured them from new,poms seemed to moan the most about the handling (nothing new there) whereas i can remember one journo from a still publishing NZ bike mag say "ive had more head shake from a GSXR750" which isnt particularly famous for bad handling.Poor old TLS was on a hiding to nothing from the get go when at the release in Florida (from memory) some lunatic French journo attempted the impossible and ended up with 2 broken ankles,then a few pom owners planted themselves in hedgerows and the rests history.Ive ridden mine pretty hard over the years and only once did it give me any reason to contract my arsehole.As i said earlier TLSs and old wives tales go hand in hand,have to laugh at some of the crap over the years "widow maker"can understand the term being used on some of the old Kwaka triples but the harmless old S...

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs...1997-3360.html

"Be afraid" was the first thing that came to my mind when a newbie rider recently asked me if I thought Suzuki's TL1000 would be a good bike for first-time riders. The TL1000 is pure evil: It bucks, wiggles and wheelies under hard acceleration, shaking its head over bumps at top speed. And don't you dare miss a first-to-second or second-to-third shift under full throttle -- it'll try and tankslap you off. Newbie riders should simply skip the TL and go straight to the morgue.

Then watch the video until the bitter and I mean bitter end.

http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/vi...ll-hi.flv.html

[GrayWolf]

Do all the dukes suggested have to have belts etc changed at 20,000 KM ?

98tls - Why a 97 ? - cause I've bought into the BS of the full power model - your word does me !

Even on the TL forums guys that "seem" quite experienced say there is a difference - bigger inlet valves
to provide more top end so feel more brutal, later models have more bottom more mid range (one point I read)

Low down grunt suits me anyway

I looked up the inlet valves on bike bandit for the 97 and other years and they carry the same part number

ECU seems to be different - talk of fuel mapping problems with 97 ECU - want confusion do bike research on the internet lolollllll

Yeah I'll just be patient and wait for right one to come up, got dusty butt coming up so will be building up ride fitness on XR anyway

Cheers All

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5b7_1237729780

Then I'm going to suggest try a serious ride on an MT-01 and the Harley XR1200 sporty.. and I will tell you right up front I am no HD aficionado, but the XR1200 did impress me for handling and performance (bear in mind it ISNT a TL or VTR). If you like the XR1200 the performance of the MT and XR are very similar, just how they go about it is a bit different.

But if you want low down stomp? Then an MT is unbeatable .. 5.5k redline, 88bhp and 110ft lbs of torque.

[Ocean1]

Do all the dukes suggested have to have belts etc changed at 20,000 KM ?

Re belts, this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-524109068.htm has a belt. A final drive belt. And it's service life is indefinite.

You asked about twins with higher performance than a TLS, and yet you seem hell bent buying one.

I promise you an 1125CR performs better than a TL.

[brp]

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs...1997-3360.html

"Be afraid" was the first thing that came to my mind when a newbie rider recently asked me if I thought Suzuki's TL1000 would be a good bike for first-time riders. The TL1000 is pure evil: It bucks, wiggles and wheelies under hard acceleration, shaking its head over bumps at top speed. And don't you dare miss a first-to-second or second-to-third shift under full throttle -- it'll try and tankslap you off. Newbie riders should simply skip the TL and go straight to the morgue.

Then watch the video until the bitter and I mean bitter end.

http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/vi...ll-hi.flv.html

No newbiee should be on a 1000 in the first place

That guy in the video lines looked scratchie in places before the off - looks to have forgotten he had 125 HP at the rear - unless you are robbie bugden and the like - point and shoot big ponies - not on a lean more than a drunken salior like he did - that's what it looked like from this vantage point - hard to tell the exact cause with no sound - poor video quality - no shots of condition of rear tyre - if TL1000S were that much of a death trap there would be news reports every month of the "widow maker" strikes again - enough of them getting round NZ

[brp]

Then I'm going to suggest try a serious ride on an MT-01 and the Harley XR1200 sporty...

Chees yeah MT's built purely for low down grunt

Not bad looking bike in the flesh the XR hog - peanut gas tank would need to be upgraded to larger - interesting you were impressed with it and found it similar to the MT

(I'll keep those two in mind thanks)

Can afford to buy those suggested in the thread - just not that keen on affording the depreciation on them at this stage in life - the replies have reinforced further that the TLS is by far the best BANG for ya buck !

Crikey even maties shiney white Buell that he's being trying to sell me won't touch a TLS down the 1/4

[Ocean1]

Crikey even maties shiney white Buell that he's being trying to sell me won't touch a TLS down the 1/4

Took me a while to get it shiney too mate, almost as long as it'd take to get a TLS down a quarter mile.

I like them, I liked them when they came out and I like them now, it's just that as much as they made some significant technological advances they did it 15 years ago. The 1125's may not be the fastest machine down a strip, that's not really what they're for, but they've got 15 years of technology, 20kg and 25hp on a TLS.

[Laava]

Yep, that L twin is a superb motor, has the sound and plenty of power and reliable as. I have a detuned version of, in my v strom and love it. But I also have a Buell so know exactly how much fun factor they have! Have to say tho I have not ridden a TL so can't comment comparitively. Hurry up and buy something so we can all test ride it!

[GrayWolf]

Chees yeah MT's built purely for low down grunt

Not bad looking bike in the flesh the XR hog - peanut gas tank would need to be upgraded to larger - interesting you were impressed with it and found it similar to the MT (I'll keep those two in mind thanks)

they perform around the same, acceleration the MT probably launches a bit harder, but the XR rev's out for longer, so they seem to balance out, I would put the MT a bit quicker than the standard XR, but it's so marginal it's really irrelevant. They handle reasonably similar, MT probably a bit 'softer'. Built quality is likely the biggest difference, MT was a flagship and it shows, the XR has got some 'cut corner' build quality, but then there was a 10k, new price difference. Fuel range is similar (15ltr tank on the MT)... they are dropping in price so you could pick an MT up for 12-13k. Yes a TL or VTR are quicker, but over hills and twisties I think you'd find either the MT or XR just as rapid.

[brp]

Good old hardly dangerous - 10k less achieve same performance - what about the 1580 - you taken one for a spin ? Recall reading the torque at a mere 3500 rpm impressive - seen 2011 streetbob go for US$7500 on ebay - shame the belt cover dictates cornering ability ...

To the engineer that owns the mighty buell - how can you say it out performs a tl1000s when its many bike lengths behind to 120 mph dare say to 160 mph too - 20 hp more and 20 kg's less but slower - what gives ? Is it the drag from the clamshells