Not caring

[Ocean1]

Actually, i think you will find that it is not young riders who are featuring in our motorcycle fatalities.

Pretty sure it is.

Quick look... can't find motorcycle specific data straight off, but it'll be very close to general vehicle fatalities: http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...ember-2012.pdf

In other words twenty year olds twice as likely to die as 30 year olds, who are significantly more likely to die than 40 year olds, etc etc. The trend doesn't start heading up again until the 70 year olds.

It's always been the case, any novice suffers from unconscious incompetence, by the time they've been at it a few years they progress to concious incompetence. If they live long enough they eventually become unconsciously competent.

And it matters not a jot whether you care or not, you'll not change it.

[Katman]

Pretty sure it is.

Quick look... can't find motorcycle specific data straight off, but it'll be very close to general vehicle fatalities: http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...ember-2012.pdf

In other words twenty year olds twice as likely to die as 30 year olds, who are significantly more likely to die than 40 year olds, etc etc. The trend doesn't start heading up again until the 70 year olds.

You didn't look very hard, did you?

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...11-%281%29.pdf

[madandy]

The born agains are falling off more than the Learners...wonder how the stats will look in a few months now LAMS is active?

I care about the riders I come in direct contact with.

You just have to accept you cannot convert all the people to your viewpoint so just care for the ones who listen...

[Ocean1]

You didn't look very hard, did you?

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...11-%281%29.pdf

Yes, saw that, but the graph isn't corrected for km/age or even simply licences/age. Which is, in itself enlightening.

The born agains are falling off more than the Learners...

Yes. But there's a metric shitload more of them. Per rider they're falling off less often.

[Glowerss]

Yes, saw that, but the graph isn't corrected for km/age or even simply licences/age. Which is, in itself enlightening.



Yes. But there's a metric shitload more of them. Per rider they're falling off less often.

Sadly for those of us going through the graduated system, the NZTA disagrees with you completely.

The main driving force behind "everyone must be on their R's regardless of age" part of LAMS is that people over 25 are falling over as often if not moreso then people under 25. So everyone must do 18 months on their R, no exceptions.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...cles/time.html
"Why has this change been made?

The use of motorcycles has changed since the age distinction was introduced. Motorcycles are more likely to be used recreationally by older motorcyclists, rather than as a cheap form of transport for young people. As a result, the age profile of novice motorcyclists has changed, with the average age of a restricted motorcycle applicant now being 32.5 years old. Age-based distinctions in the motorcycle graduated driver licensing regime are no longer appropriate. All motorcyclists have a significantly higher level of risk of death or injury on the road than car drivers of the same age."

[madandy]

So on a per rider basis do we care more for the learners or the the 'mature' riders who are becoming temporary kiwis in greater numbers overall?

[Ocean1]

Sadly for those of us going through the graduated system, the NZTA disagrees with you completely.

I'm pretty relaxed about that mate, it puts me alongside a solid majority of my countrymen.


But as it happens, this:

Age-based distinctions in the motorcycle graduated driver licensing regime are no longer appropriate.

I agree with. You don't have to be a teenager to be a novice, and my contention issimply that novices crash more often.

Having said that I note the heavily slanted prose of the whole statement. That, and the skewed filters on what data they present. It reeks of social engineering.

[GrayWolf]

By all means but be quick about it eh summers coming and with summer comes the pinnacle of irresponsible fuckwits disguised as pinnacles of our hobby for lack of a better term ie young cunts on bikes they barely ride for 8 months of the year. Who with all the best intentions organise such events as Sunday morning rides over technically challenging bits of road, like the Rimutaka's ot Paekakariki/Battle hill, all good until around the 5th corner where wearing the one piece leathers and 'Rossi paint job helmet' the squid's turn into Carl Fogarty, no doubt you have seen the rest of it yourself,if it wasnt so sad it would actually be funny.

Fixed it for you,

and as one of those 'old fuckers' I probably have already travelled more miles than 95% of riders will ever travel in a lifetime. There are a few on here I know have equalled and some who have exceeded my distance very comfortably... I see how many bikes are on the road in Winter, and every day in any/all weather or weekends/travelling to work, or even in Martinborough on a Winter weekend. So when you young turk's can say I've ridden every day, and travelled over 750,000km's on a bike? Then have your say, till then? you are still wearing nappies as far as I am concerned!!

[jrandom]

travelled over 750,000km's on a bike

Sitting on a bike for a very long time makes you about as much of a rider as heating up thousands of microwave dinners makes you a chef.

[caspernz]

Riders come and riders go. Personally I don't care how or what you ride, just don't give me any grief and we'll be fine.

The concept of circle of concern and circle of influence comes to mind. I've got naff all influence over the squid I don't know, who chooses to outride his abilities until he's in a wheelchair, simply because he didn't wanna learn by someone elses mistakes... So I just try to be safe myself and not be a squid to someone who wants to ride slower than me, as in the end the only direct influence I've got is on my own riding...

[Berries]

and as one of those 'old fuckers' I probably have already travelled more miles than 95% of riders will ever travel in a lifetime. There are a few on here I know have equalled and some who have exceeded my distance very comfortably... I see how many bikes are on the road in Winter, and every day in any/all weather or weekends/travelling to work, or even in Martinborough on a Winter weekend. So when you young turk's can say I've ridden every day, and travelled over 750,000km's on a bike? Then have your say, till then? you are still wearing nappies as far as I am concerned!!

I wasn't sure whether I cared enough to post in this thread or not but that kind of made my mind up for me. You should get a medal and perhaps a street named after you.

[GrayWolf]

Sitting on a bike for a very long time makes you about as much of a rider as heating up thousands of microwave dinners makes you a chef.

very true, however never riding in all weathers and conditions, would make you at the very best a 'microwave' rider (to use your own analogy), So even if I dont rate myself as a 'Chef' rider, I think I'd qualify as a 'Cook'.

Have a nice day

[GrayWolf]

I wasn't sure whether I cared enough to post in this thread or not but that kind of made my mind up for me. You should get a medal and perhaps a street named after you.

No thanks, but I could put on a 1 piece leather, Rossi paint job helmet; and become a 'legend' like many others!!

[SPman]

If you want carnage, make it compulsory for everyone to ride a m/cycle for a year before they are allowed to go for a car license........

Do I care.........not much these days.......

[98tls]

Fixed it for you,

and as one of those 'old fuckers' I probably have already travelled more miles than 95% of riders will ever travel in a lifetime. There are a few on here I know have equalled and some who have exceeded my distance very comfortably... I see how many bikes are on the road in Winter, and every day in any/all weather or weekends/travelling to work, or even in Martinborough on a Winter weekend. So when you young turk's can say I've ridden every day, and travelled over 750,000km's on a bike? Then have your say, till then? you are still wearing nappies as far as I am concerned!!

Believe me i am far from a "young turk",wouldnt mind doing it all again though.