Grid lock and bicycle lanes

[Akzle]

We get this from the law... http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303043.html

thanks for that.

but it does give rise to an opportunity for me to be a pedant.
you get that from crown legislation, which has been given the defacto force of law, by the (mostly unknowing) consent of the subjects of the state.

legislation≠law

carry on.

[rastuscat]

thanks for that.

but it does give rise to an opportunity for me to be a pedant.
you get that from crown legislation, which has been given the defacto force of law, by the (mostly unknowing) consent of the subjects of the state.

legislation≠law

carry on.

Gosh. Pedant, pedant, Akzle is a pedant !!!!!!!!!!

Newsflash ends.

[Akzle]

Gosh. Pedant, pedant, Akzle is a pedant !!!!!!!!!!

Newsflash ends.

you need a hug, dontcha buddy?


((the devil is in the detail, rasty. take note and beware))

[scumdog]

Gosh. Pedant, pedant, Akzle is a pedant !!!!!!!!!!

Newsflash ends.

He likes messin' wif small children???

[crash99]

An interesting (handed down) story(involving cages only):

In a similar gridlocked scenario (one lane that splits to two at the intersection) a kind person in the queue left a gap so someone on the other side of the road could turn into a driveway. As they turned in they were hit by a car undertaking the stopped traffic and then told by the officer that attended that they were in the wrong for turning in front of straight through traffic (even though that car was illegally undertaking).

I guess it was a case of who was more wrong, but still I would have thought the undertaker (not the wrestler) was more wrong.

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Nope.
Actual case (me): traffic stopped (heading up double lane into Pukerua Bay, Wellington). I was travelling up the inside of the left hand lane, towards a truck (stopped) just before an intersection leading off to my left. As I approached the truck (couldnt see right cos it was a bloody big truck) a car pulled across in front of said truck. I swerved, car braked, I brushed front of car and rode into intersection island. 1 written off 900 Hornet. My insurance company went along with the rode code which says there are only 3 instances where you may pass to the left of traffic:
1. When there is a formed lane
2. When directed to do so by a police orificer
3. When the trafic is stationary.
Point 3 applied. Ie, as has been said many, many times before - if the traffic is moving and you filter or whatever you want to call it to the left, to the right, you could be prosecuted. If you are travelling a lot faster than the traffic then it is more likely. Every day I filter at a speed relatively not too much faster than the traffic, and I pass many police cars, Highqway Patrol, whatever, and never get stopped.
Be sensible and you'll probably be ok. Act like a dumb ass and get treated like one.

So, wrt the turning in front of stationary traffic - the person turning is definitely in teh wrong as the good orficer said - you turning, you give way.

[SMOKEU]

even on a motobike, i dislike cyclists with a passion.
fuck em and their lanes.

carry a 4 foot length of garden hose, in any vehicle. y'know.. for when they need it.

I'll happily stop cycling when you buy me a car or motorbike and pay for all the maintenance. Until then, I'm going to keep on cycling, otherwise I have to walk or catch a bus.

[willytheekid]

I watched a scooter rider get screamed at this morning on my way into work...and fair enough too!

Stupid bugger was tearing down the cycle lane (over took me an the rest of traffic as we crawled along @40ish)...pitty he didn't see the cyclist legally using the lane...it was damn close to being a meeting of handlebars!
Cyclist caught up to him at the lights...and just friggin went him! uch:

Scooter guy even tried to get ME to stand up for em??...I just pointed to my HD camera and shook my head..."green light!!"...have fun with that!

....stay out of cycle lanes!


Ride safe over the holiday period KBers ....and "MERRY XMAS" to you all (swear to god!!...If I get another lump of coal this year...)

[Bassmatt]

I'll happily stop cycling when you buy me a car or motorbike and pay for all the maintenance. Until then, I'm going to keep on cycling, otherwise I have to walk or catch a bus.

Get a job, bro.

[SMOKEU]

Get a job, bro.

I don't have time with my studies.

[Oakie]

Truth also is, a cycle lane is a bloody dangerous place to ride a bike of any sort. Traffic turning through from the other direction, or turning left without looking, knock bike riders off all day, every day in this country. Our office alone sees at least 5 such crashes each week.

Well you probably heard of this one too which a work colleague witnessed on Saturday just passed. It involved :
A: A nice red motorcycle
B: Papanui Road, Chch
C: Said bike using Bus Lane in the afternoon
D: Car going the opposite direction, wanting to turn right and being allowed to buy traffic in the opposing 'normal' lane
E: A sickening crunching sound
F: Rider doing a couple of cartwheels while flying though the air then having a wee lie-down at the end of his flight.

Outcome unknown. My colleague didn't observe the rider moving although plenty of pedestrians moved to help.

Just a point to those bikers in Chch who use the bus lanes as allowed by our enlightened city council. They are only bus lanes during the time the signs say they are. Usually 7am - 9am and perhaps 3pm - 6pm. Outside these times they are normal road and if a biker was to use them to pass another vehicle on the left, then this would be illegal.

[Akzle]

I'll happily stop cycling when you buy me a car or motorbike and pay for all the maintenance. Until then, I'm going to keep on cycling, otherwise I have to walk or catch a bus.

muahahaha. an african on a bike. what better fodder.you're lucky you're beond the reach of my bullbars. for now.

[FJRider]

Just a point to those bikers in Chch who use the bus lanes as allowed by our enlightened city council. They are only bus lanes during the time the signs say they are. Usually 7am - 9am and perhaps 3pm - 6pm. Outside these times they are normal road and if a biker was to use them to pass another vehicle on the left, then this would be illegal.

If the bus Lane is being used ... when it is lawfully allowed to be used ... then it is just a normal lane. As such ... passing another vehicle on the left IS allowed, when and where lanes are marked. Bus lanes are well marked.

[Subike]

If the bus Lane is being used ... when it is lawfully allowed to be used ... then it is just a normal lane. As such ... passing another vehicle on the left IS allowed, when and where lanes are marked. Bus lanes are well marked.

Sorry FJ,
Some of the CHCH bus lanes, when outside the hours, are parking spaces. Riccarton road for example. During rush hours the bus lanes operate for the transit of buses. Outside of those hours those lanes are marked car parks. So if you have a good motorcross/mountain bike then use the lanes. if you are clever. Use at you own risk any bus lane. Mind you riding a bike is a "use at your own risk " at anytime anywhere. Filtering or undertaking on bus lanes is not for those who have poor situational awareness. The risks involved are not governed by any laws, but governed by the impatience and carelessness of others. It may be legal in some places, but remember the law is there to be interpreted by each road user, and not all interpretations come inside the intent of the law. The challenge, is to win the dodgems ride in cities %100 of the time.

[Oakie]

If the bus Lane is being used ... when it is lawfully allowed to be used ... then it is just a normal lane. As such ... passing another vehicle on the left IS allowed, when and where lanes are marked. Bus lanes are well marked.

What Subike said. Most of those I can think of in Chch aren't actually lanes in their own right but are areas to the left of the actual single lane in the road. The only exception I can think of is the one that is on Colombo St at the Hereford St intersection.

[rok-the-boat]

I sometimes sneak up on the left of cars in the empty bicycle lane. I asked a bike cop a month or so ago and he said he could not see a problem with moving up to the lights if the traffic were stationary. He did add that he thought it would be dangerous if the traffic were moving. And, he added he did not know if it were legal or not. So, I asked another cop a couple of weeks back who I saw buying a snack in a dairy and got basically a similar answer.

But today - I moved up a few car lengths in a bicycle lane and then some geezer in a black Snazzy Holden type car followed me from then on about 1cm from my bumper for a km or so. At the next lights he lowered his window and started hurling abuse, that I shouldn't come up on him on the left. I didn't respond, since a car is bigger than a bike, and I might meet him again along that same road.