Tazers

[Colapop]

Glocks & Bushmasters too? Why not just start smashing them with a batton as soon as they register an interest in joining?

It was a serious question. Police recruits are given the opportunity to see or feel the effects of pepper spray aren't they? They could also be offered to see the effects of a tazer? And recruits are taught how to use batons?

There are some on this site that would suggest new recruits are used to show the effects of said Glocks and Bushmasters....

[Sniper]

All recruits are run through a firing range using the Glock. Um not sure on the bushmaster. I know the also fire a rifle (M14?)

[Lou Girardin]

on a side note, it's not the voltage that will fuck you, it's the current.

Especially if you can't swim.

[The_Dover]

I think spud was referring to turning the Glock and the bushmaster on the recruits.

Could be a goer?

[Lou Girardin]

I think spud was referring to turning the Glock and the bushmaster on the recruits.

Could be a goer?

It'll be bloody difficult getting a 1000 new cops then.
If Darwin's right, the survivors will be double hard bastards.

[The_Dover]

It'll be bloody difficult getting a 1000 new cops then.
If Darwin's right, the survivors will be double hard bastards.

And that's exactly what we need to keep these pesky bikers off the streets so they are safe for P cooks and fa'a fa'afini.

[scumdog]

All recruits are run through a firing range using the Glock. Um not sure on the bushmaster. I know the also fire a rifle (M14?)

The 'old' rifel is a Model 7 Remington that is being replaced by Bushmasters.

The Model 7s will be destroyed when they are phased out "in compliance with United Nations policy".

That's right folks, rifles valued at $300,000 minimum will be destoyed instead of being sold.

And you wonder where all the speed-ticket money goes????.

[Skyryder]

They don't kill, so why not. Zap the fuckers

Was told that there have been sixteen deaths atributed to taser use. Not too sure if that is true but my source is usualy right on what he quotes. Anyone got the defintive answer on this??

Skyryder

[Colapop]

I found this interesting thread about Tazers from an American cop site.

"16th Product Liability Lawsuit Dismissed Against TASER International, Inc.

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., May 10, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- TASER International, Inc. (Nasdaq:TASR), a market leader in advanced electronic control devices, announced that the Superior Court of the State of Arizona in and for the County of Maricopa entered an order dismissing with prejudice the product liability lawsuit filed by Malissa Allen against TASER International, Inc. Dismissal with prejudice prohibits the plaintiff from re-filing this lawsuit in the future. This is the sixteenth wrongful death or injury lawsuit that has been dismissed or judgment entered in favor of TASER International in the past 24 months."

[scumdog]

ONLY 16 deaths??

I'm surprised that is all - there's enough morons out there with the self preservation instincts of a lemming that would push the boudaries enough to deserve to be shot let alone tazered.

How many of the tazer deaths were innocent bystanders hit by a stray tazer rounds? or how many innocent bystanders were tazered to death while minding their own business?

Tazer is the next step down from a bullet, - at least witha tazer you have a good liklihood of survival compared with a bullet.

[Wolf]

16 deaths - a lovely figure to wave about the place and get emotional and say "BAN THEM!" What the people who do that fail to do, is say how many people in total have been Tasered.

16 deaths would be terrible if only 32 people had been tasered, but it's of little significance if over a thousand have been tasered. Sure, 16 people died. And if a Glock had been used there would have been a hell of a lot more deaths.

A lot more than 16 people have died riding motorbikes, anyone here going to call for them to be banned as "too dangerous"?

And before the "it's your choice to ride a motorbike" argument comes out: it's also a choice to put yourself in a position where you're likely to be tasered and it's a choice to refuse to comply with an instruction and a choice to continue to do so after a clear warning has been issued or to perform an action that would justify instant use of such a weapon.

I have absolutely no fear of Tasers - or pepper spray or Glocks - in the hands of the police. The chance that I get clobbered by any of those whilst going about my own lawful business is negligible - I have a far higher risk of being clobbered by someone else's vehicle. As I don't do things that are likely to attract the attention of armed police officers, I don't fear being deliberately clobbered either. If perchance I blundered into an area where a cop with a weapon had call to challenge me and make it clear to me that some form of armed force would be forthcoming if I did not instantly stop or back off, I possess sufficient intellect to do as I'm bloody told - I'm not going to argue with an armed police officer.

I choose to risk my life riding motorcycles, I choose not to do things that'll get me tasered or shot.

It's all about choices - like that retard with the toy Glock that was killed by armed police up in Aucks a few years back... he chose to threaten the police with an extremely realisic (at close range, never mind the distance they were viewing it over) replica of a firearm and he chose not to relinquish it and chose to continue aiming it at the police after being wounded by two warning shots. He chose to let the cops put a bullet into a fatal spot.

Me, if I had any object in my hand at all and the cops said "drop it or we'll have to shoot", I would not stop to consider whether or or not it might look like a firearm across a distance under that light, I would drop the damned thing and display all signs of compliance.

[Ixion]

Two words that refute your entire argument. Red Squad. Happened before, can happen again, except now the New Red Squad would be armed with Tasers.

No-one gives a stuff if some low life crim or maniac P dope head gets tasered . But that's not the argument. Nor is the comparison between a Glock and a Taser. It's between a Taser and a baton , or a Taser and a dog.

Even the toughest cop is going to hesitate before turning a Glock on protesters, or the guy who's just too damn lippy and non-compliant. But they won't hesitate to use a taser in such situations.

[Wolf]

I may be a big wuss, but personally I subscribe to the, "You don't need to put your hand on a hot element to know it's hot!", theory... I definitely consider I'd be "unusually susceptible" to 50,000 volts... You a braver man than me, Wolf!

Thanks for saying "braver" and not the "S" word...

I've taken a hell of a lot more than 50KV in my time - albeit static electricity and not delivered in a way so as to incapacitate (though picking up a large computer monitor and having the static build-up discharge through my metal belt buckle bloody near had me on the floor).

I doubt I'd find the experience pleasant or "repeatable" (never want to repeat the static jolt through the solar plexus experience, either) but it would be an education.

I would be wanting at least a cup of coffee and a biscuit after recovering, I suspect.

[Wolf]

Two words that refute your entire argument. Red Squad. Happened before, can happen again, except now the New Red Squad would be armed with Tasers.

So it's up to us as a voting public to ensure we never again vote in a psychotic, egomaniacal "Reds-Under-The-Bed" paranoid schizoid like Piggy. Or any other form of delusional self-aggrandising despot, for that matter.

We vote in another cock like that, we deserve a "Red Squad" armed with Tasers...


OK, Lias, hit me with the red bling, I know you want to...

[NSR-Dan]

From what i watched on jackass a while ago. Jonny knoxville decided to test a few of the security devices available to purchase in the US (pepper spray, hand taser and a taser gun).

He used himself as a human test subject and gave his professional opinion at the end. his vote wa sth pepper spray was the worst as it stays in your eyes and burns like hell, while the tasers just zap you for a few seconds and your sweet.

ive been electrocuted by mains supply working as a sparky on many occasions and i know what it fells like, i know the taser is 10000v but its only 0.5 amps, so 240v at 20amps and 50hz is a shit load worse i bet. i recon i could get a taser shock and walk around fine cause im so used to it.