Tazers

[Lou Girardin]

The 2002 survey showed 76% had either "full" or "quite a lot" of trust and confidence in the police. Only 5% had little or no trust and confidence. See attached graph.

This has remained reasonably constant between 1997 & 2002. Unfortunately a quick search hasn't come up with any recent relevant survey results. If Lou wants to post something "relevant" that is to the contrary he should go ahead.

1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002

% % % % % %
Satisfied/Very satisfied 77 80 74 74 77 72
Neutral 10 9 11 14 10 11
Dissatisfied/Very dissatisfied 13 10 13 12 13 17

On the face of these figures I would say that the situation is not as dire as dear old Lou would have people believe.

53% approval last year. get up to date Spud

[Lou Girardin]

If you genuinely believe the springbok protesters were innocent, you are looking through some seriously rose tinted glasses.
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Ixion was referring to the clowns, they were non-violent, non-threatening, yet still were beaten to a pulp with PR24's.
It was caught on film too.

[Lias]

Ixion was referring to the clowns, they were non-violent, non-threatening, yet still were beaten to a pulp with PR24's.
It was caught on film too.

Still unlawful assembly at a bare minimum.
That combined with the fact that other groups of protesters WERE definitly violent and threatening gave the police all the justification they need, and IMHO rightly so.

Dont want to get bashed? then dont attend protests like that. To use a military terminology "they put themselves in harms way".

[Lou Girardin]

Still unlawful assembly at a bare minimum.
That combined with the fact that other groups of protesters WERE definitly violent and threatening gave the police all the justification they need, and IMHO rightly so.

Dont want to get bashed? then dont attend protests like that. To use a military terminology "they put themselves in harms way".

I guess they were no better than animals.

[Wolf]

I guess they were no better than animals.

What a brilliant non-sequitur.

[Ixion]

Still unlawful assembly at a bare minimum.
That combined with the fact that other groups of protesters WERE definitly violent and threatening gave the police all the justification they need, and IMHO rightly so.

Dont want to get bashed? then dont attend protests like that. To use a military terminology "they put themselves in harms way".

You do not accept, then, that there should be any right to peacful protest in a democracy ? And that merely attending a protest (any protest?) is sufficent justification for a bashing by the police ? And in what way was the assembly unlawful?

The main reason that we, as a country, enjoy such freedoms and liberties that we do (and few enough of them are left nowdays) , is because our ancestors were willing to "put themselves in harms way". On battlefields, in protests. The day that people stop "putting themselves in harms way" then tyranny and despotism have won.


(FTR, I wasn't there , because I didn't really agree with the protesters position. But I will always support their right to protest)

[scumdog]

What a brilliant non-sequitur.

Ha! Now you're going to have to explain what a 'non-sequitur' IS!!!!

(But not to moi!)

[Skyryder]

Providing the officer feels that they are in some kind of danger, then not a problem. However the incidents that I saw on tv where one guy was tazored and had his arms up in the air and the other a woman on a cell phone that refused to move was in my view unnessary. If the police here are going down that road then they will lose my support very quickly.

I suspect that at the end of the day after the shift many will no doubt take great delight in reminiscing the pain that they have inflicted, to the delight of their mates.


Skyryder

[spudchucka]

53% approval last year. get up to date Spud

Where? Show me some facts.

Was it an actual public confidence survey or are you just quoting the moral panic surveys done after the 111 nonsense?

Edit:
Oh, there it is, the NBR survey.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectid=10121798

I'm sure that was a totally objective poll. The headline attached

Confidence in force falls as controversies take toll

to the Heralds report says a lot about the timing of the survey, which no doubt would have had a major effect on the reults. It wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting to poll people during times of plain sailing.

[scumdog]

Providing the officer feels that they are in some kind of danger, then not a problem. However the incidents that I saw on tv where one guy was tazored and had his arms up in the air and the other a woman on a cell phone that refused to move was in my view unnessary. If the police here are going down that road then they will lose my support very quickly.

I suspect that at the end of the day after the shift many will no doubt take great delight in reminiscing the pain that they have inflicted, to the delight of their mates.


Skyryder

Listen Cheeze-dick, Next time I am 'socialising' with Dangerous and co. I WILL explain to you the psychology of Police thoughts and actions - and it sure as hell differs a whole lot from your ideas which is out of this planet as far as realism goes!!

If I wasn't so tollerant things would be different.

NZ is NOT the USA - or else you would be paying for your comments.

[NC]

Providing the officer feels that they are in some kind of danger, then not a problem. However the incidents that I saw on tv where one guy was tazored and had his arms up in the air and the other a woman on a cell phone that refused to move was in my view unnessary. If the police here are going down that road then they will lose my support very quickly.


Skyryder

I take it you haven't seen the whole tape of that lady getting tazered?Obviously you haven't by your comments.

Here's the link

[Lou Girardin]

Where? Show me some facts.

Was it an actual public confidence survey or are you just quoting the moral panic surveys done after the 111 nonsense?

Edit:
Oh, there it is, the NBR survey.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectid=10121798

I'm sure that was a totally objective poll. The headline attached to the Heralds report says a lot about the timing of the survey, which no doubt would have had a major effect on the reults. It wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting to poll people during times of plain sailing.

Of course it's not accurate. It says things you don't like.
BTW You can't get more conservative than the NBR.
BBTW That 111 nonsense cost one girl her life and nearly cost Peter Bentley his. But what the hell, we must support you guys in all you do. Right?

[Patrick]

BTW That 111 nonsense cost one girl her life and nearly cost Peter Bentley his. But what the hell, we must support you guys in all you do. Right?

Wrong... the newspapers make sure that those who are uninformed don't do that with their clear slant on things that make the story sound better...we all have probably complained about the 111 problem and call centres for years too...

[Wolf]

I take it you haven't seen the whole tape of that lady getting tazered?Obviously you haven't by your comments.

Here's the link

Poor innocent doing-55mph-in-a-35mph-zone-in-defective-car-with-no-seat-belt-or-licence woman. My, how she was victimised by that evil policeman who had absolutely no right to pull her over, ask for her (revoked) licence and arrest her. The fucking bastard only gave her three clear warnings to "get out or she would be tased" and he totally ignored her saying "I'm not gonna" - fucking pig - evil bastard should have let her continue speeding up the road in an unsafe vehicle after the courts had decided that she wasn't fit to hold a licence for some reason. The evilness and power-tripping of that policeman was just so bad, wasn't it...

:lou: Bugger - sarcasm smilie doesn't work yet.

Seriously: The way she keeps on "crying" (very fake) ages after the second zap has worn off (hey, I've taken a couple of solid jolts from a bull fence straight into two nerve clusters (armpits - never try to rest your arms on a bull fence) and I was right as rain within a couple of seconds of disentangling myself - despite feeling at the time of the jolts like a team of martial artists had practised "synchonised striking" on several parts of my body) and the cop says "It's done with, we've been tased ourselves and we know the effects."

The woman was not "engrossed in a phone call and oblivious to what the officer was saying" as has been suggested on this thread, she was actively refusing to comply, she had refused pretty much every lawful instruction she was given (understandable why she was refusing to hand over her licence and papers - she knew full well she was going to be arrested once they learned her licence had been revoked) and she was giving them shit.

Back in the days before OC (Oleoresin Capsicum a.k.a. pepper) spray and tasers, that cop would probably have drawn a firearm and ordered her to leave the car. These days they have a less than lethal option. I note he attempted to remove her from the car and she kicked up a fuss so he backed off and drew his taser. She also allegedly took a swing at one of the cops but of course we couldn't see that through the body of the car [so obviously the cop was lying to look good in front of the camera, coz after all he's a pig and they do that shit for the power and she's such a sweet, innocent pleasant woman, really - yeah, right].

But what was he supposed to do, stand there all day arguing with her about whether she is going to get out of the car? Or maybe forcibly drag her from the car, twist her arm up her back and slam her into the pavement - I mean, that doesn't use weapons, right, so it's OK, right? Or maybe draw the firearm he was carrying on his belt and threaten her with it - screw the fact that there's no obvious call for lethal force, show her the gun and let her know he's serious... Or maybe he could've used a night stick - not lethal unless he breaks something really vital, and who cares if she gets a broken arm in the process.

Bollocks. I'm not saying that being tased is a "soft option" - from the rather real screams (as opposed to the histrionics afterwards) she emitted while being tased, I would gather it's not fun (as you would expect from a weapon designed to incapacitate) But it is a better option than many. It has risks, as they all do.

The cops, before they are allowed to use OC and tasers, must first be subjected to them so they know precisely what level of discomfort they are inflicting upon their targets. AFAIK, there has never been an official policy that cops be shot in the chest with a .38 at close range in order that they may better comprehend the level of force at their fingertips.

AFAIK, our own police have the same requirement on use of OC spray - you don't get issued it until you've experienced it - and I'll bet the same will apply to Tasers.

[Patrick]

....(well put, by the way...I take Tui is a favourite drop???) lol......

The cops, before they are allowed to use OC and tasers, must first be subjected to them so they know precisely what level of discomfort they are inflicting upon their targets. AFAIK, there has never been an official policy that cops be shot in the chest with a .38 at close range in order that they may better comprehend the level of force at their fingertips.

LO even L!!!!! You should be our spokesman... our own police have the same requirement on use of OC spray - you don't get issued it until you've experienced it - and I'll bet the same will apply to Tasers.

Mostly right here...only some tried it (brave or stupid...jury is still out on that one...) but everyone got to see the outcome...responses varied from 1. "Fuck, I died, who revived me.." 2. "Is that my puke???" 3. "ouch, that hurts a bit" and the worst one after getting a full can in the face...4. "Is that water? Wheres the OC spray..(it was the real stuff... it doesn't effect everyone...and for those it doesn't effect, they don't come with a sign advertising that fact...Spray isn't the be all and end all...funniest one though was the Gang Banger who got sprayed, had no effect, and when finally back at the station, went for a piss...he had the stuff on his hands by then after wiping it...he suddenly became not so tough when his meat and two veg was on fire...still get a good laugh out of that one...forget the eyes, go for the knob...