Tazers

[Ixion]

,,, The pro-tour mob were likewise keen to "have a go" and were actively fighting the protesters.

What would you have the police do? Let the two mobs tear each other apart? People were getting seriously injured in the brawls, weapons were being used - a woman was carried off with a knife jammed in her skull. The brawls were escalating out of control.

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Sounds good to me. And if the rioters start to spill over and affect peaceful folk not involved in the stoush, have the army send a few belts of machine gun fire into them, collectively.

Then when they've fought themselves to a standstill the police can go in and arrest anyone still standing. Won't need weapons by then.

I think it a pity the Riot Act was repealed. that was the way to deal with such matters. Give the parties a warning to disperse. If they do not, have the military (not the police) open fire.

(FWIW, I took no part in the Springbok stuff. I didn't really give a stuff either way.)

[Wolf]

Then when they've fought themselves to a standstill the police can go in and arrest anyone still standing. Won't need weapons by then

Pommy bloke I know said that when he was a lad in Liverpool that was precisely what the cops did with brawling bands of youths. They'd get the call that 20 or more youths were rioting in the park and they'd make a cup of tea. After they had their tea they went down and arrested anyone too stupid or too injured to have already fucked off home.

[spudchucka]

Well, after the first few times, I think the number of people offering violence would dramatically diminish.

Yep but we'd end up on the UN's bad book because there would be heaps of Minto / Locke types whinging to them about human rights abuses.

Then we would just end up having sanctions placed against us like those that were placed against SA during the aphatied.... apatite.... afartied.... the "we don't like blacks" era.

Then some country would invite the AB's for a game of rugby and there'd be a huge outcry and protests in that country because the lefties don't like playing rugga with folks on the UN black list and the cops in that country would taze all the protesters because they basically just hate the wankers and love beating up on them any chance they get.

Then you would just resurect this thread from the dead and say, "there ya go I fucken told ya the cops would abuse those bloody tazers".

So best we leave things as they are aye and just keep the army doing what they do best, travel the world, meet interesting people, kill them!

[spudchucka]

Not me spudly, I was sittin' on my motorsickle damn near shitting myself when 600 odd people headed towards me to block the northwest m/way.
There wasn't a red squad within 5 km's.

Was that a black and white motorcycle with a pretty red flashing light? Or were you just out for a sunday ride?

[Wolf]

Yep but we'd end up on the UN's bad book because there would be heaps of Minto / Locke types whinging to them about human rights abuses.

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So best we leave things as they are aye and just keep the army doing what they do best, travel the world, meet interesting people, kill them!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to spudchucka again."

FUCK!

[Biff]

Rifles are no good for close combat. That's what glocks are for. If taken by surprise, shoot from the hip. .

Shotgun. Large bore please.

[Edbear]

Large bore please.

Anyone around here fit that description?

[Wolf]

Anyone around here fit that description?

No more than 50% of the membership.

[Lou Girardin]

Sounds good to me. And if the rioters start to spill over and affect peaceful folk not involved in the stoush, have the army send a few belts of machine gun fire into them, collectively.

This not 1917, nor is it St Petersburg.

[Lou Girardin]

Was that a black and white motorcycle with a pretty red flashing light? Or were you just out for a sunday ride?

All white, with three! flashing lights.
Nothing but the best for us.

[Wolf]

All white, with three! flashing lights.
Nothing but the best for us.

No wonder you were nearly shitting yourself then. A mob of 600 - avg IQ = 100 divided by the number in the mob gives a Mob IQ of around 0.167.

Chance of them recognising you were a "shark" and not a "pig" - NIL. No protection on the bike, either.

[Ixion]

This not 1917, nor is it St Petersburg.

No, nor alas is it Vendemiaire 13th, year 4, nor L'eglise de Saint Roche in the Cul de Sac Dauphin.

But a whiff of the old medicine would work as well today as then.

[Lou Girardin]

No wonder you were nearly shitting yourself then. A mob of 600 - avg IQ = 100 divided by the number in the mob gives a Mob IQ of around 0.167.

Chance of them recognising you were a "shark" and not a "pig" - NIL. No protection on the bike, either.

Snake, for God's sake get that right.
Sharks are lawyers, the lowest insult one can throw.

[Wolf]

Snake, for God's sake get that right.
Sharks are lawyers, the lowest insult one can throw.

Oops, my bad.

You hadn't done anything to warrant being called an ambulance chaser.

[Swoop]

Dragging thread back on topic...

From the Harold:
Opponents renew calls to abandon Taser after damning report

The Auckland District Law Society report, titled Less Lethal? on the use of the 50,000 volt stun guns highlighted concerns about the casual and more frequent use of the weapon by police, a lack of insistence on strict compliance with guidelines, and a lack of guidance for multiple use of the gun.

Opponents have gone further, predicting that someone might die after being hit by the gun.

Campaign Against the Taser spokeswoman Marie Dhyrberg endorsed the report's findings, saying there had been a lack of openness in supplying information about the trial, which runs until August 31.

She said the report also identified the inherent dangers of the Taser being used on people taking drugs or suffering medical conditions.

"These problems and these risks are very, very concerning."

The risk of someone dying after being struck by a Taser had existed since they started being used, she said.


"That is well documented in overseas use of Taser. There are a number of Taser-related deaths.

"Hopefully, it will not happen in New Zealand but the risk is there."

"With all the issues taken together, this is a report in its entirety that is very damning.

Both Ms Dhyrberg and John Minto, of Global Peace and Justice, want to see the trial stopped immediately.

"We don't believe that the trial should proceed at all. It's very clear that the guidelines are not being followed and we run the risk here of the Taser being use as a first line of defence rather than as a last resort," Mr Minto said.

"If we do that, we are going to see people in New Zealand die as a result of Tasering."

Auckland District Law Society barrister Anthony Trenwith said "laser painting", where the laser beam was played on the victim as a warning, was "a trigger pull" short of firing.

"If there is a casualness developing in pulling the weapon and "laser painting", then there is a greater risk of casualness developing in firing it."

The society would like to see better auditing and reporting processes, increased consultation with the public on the use of the Taser, and that the final decision on whether to implement its use nationwide be put in the hands of an independent body.

The guns have been presented 56 times and fired on eight occasions since the trial began in four regions in September last year, all within strict guidelines, according to police.

The man in charge of the trial, Superintendent John Rivers, said today the guidelines were "very restrictive" and police were not being casual in their approach.

The Taser was a tactical response and a less lethal alternative to using firearms.

"Laser painting was standard practice when a Taser was being deployed and was essential, he said.

Verbal commands were given and the victim given the opportunity to submit before the Taser was discharged as a last resort.

New Zealand's procedures for Taser use, including monitoring and evaluation, were "exceptionally comprehensive" compared with other countries.

All instances where the Taser had been used were recorded on a police website.

It was unlikely that the trial would be aborted, Mr Rivers said.

- NZPA