My first stuff up

[ducatilover]

I don't understand how things like this become a big deal? Falling over on gravel is easy to do regardless of long day, track day etc.
Good ol' Kiwibitcher.

[tbs]

Yep exactly none of you !

You are assuming far too much.

[Geeen]

I don't understand how things like this become a big deal? Falling over on gravel is easy to do regardless of long day, track day etc.
Good ol' Kiwibitcher.

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[duckonin]

You are assuming far too much.

I would not think so !!

[duckonin]

I don't understand how things like this become a big deal? Falling over on gravel is easy to do regardless of long day, track day etc.
Good ol' Kiwibitcher.

Yes you are correct. Thread starter says on first post." After track day of ect ect I went into my driveway going too fast and lent over to far " on Gravel entrance !

Do you understand now ? It is not a big deal !!! Nor am I a Kiwibitcher fucken idiot ! Just trying to keep some alive a mite longer.

[tbs]

'Pro rider course', Go back and find one that would match your ability.

Yes you are correct. Thread starter says on first post." After track day of ect ect I went into my driveway going too fast and lent over to far " on Gravel entrance !

Do you understand now ? It is not a big deal !!! Nor am I a Kiwibitcher fucken idiot ! Just trying to keep some alive a mite longer.

But you come across as such. A LOT. Your first post showed it. She wasn't at a track day. She was at a training day exactly suited to her ability level. It was done on the track as the consequences of screw ups are minimized. The focus was on basic machine control and I've already discussed the benefits of that before trying to learn it out on the mean streets. Ok so the thread veered off somewhat talking about Hampton Downs but that's hardly your concern as the OP first mentioned wanting to ride there, and any useful comments on dropping her bike had largely been made.

[MystikEagle]

Star another thread for your dribble about how you liked the "TRACK", this thread has lost the plot. 'Track' is not the road. Your 'computer' in the top paddock needs to be 'honed'. How many of you can do '100kph ave' open road without worrying about what might happen ? How many of you can go through tight sections of road and not have to think 'too' much about what you are doing ? Getting passed a prick coming straight through a compulsary stop/giveway sign, a kid that was on the footpath riding his/her push bike that all of a sudden comes flying out onto the road in your path. Did your computer pick that up before it happened ? were you ready for any/all of this at anytime? Reading the road ahead useing your 'eyes and computer'.

Yep exactly none of you ! Your eyes and computer in the top paddock do all your work. Your hands/body and feet work from both of these.What brake would you use in times of trouble. Both, or just the front, maybe just the rear, maybe need to use one then the other very quickly. If there is any doubt about what your reaction would be under most circumstances that may confront yourselves then you still have a long way to go.

Maha said it. Tracks are good, Get yourselves plenty of road time. Forget missing a place/town/city because of the traffic just get right on in there, that should give your computers a work out. Be vigilant awake and thinking ahead. Forget the other mutt let them get their own shit figured out, they are not riding your machine you are..

Another wrote this but it is worth repeating. " Alot of people have the 'inability' to imagine the worst that can happen, and how quickly it can happen, and they are never prepared for it".

I think that TRAINING days on a track are a great way to learn how your bike handles without having to worry about oncoming traffic.
I learnt how quickly I could get my bike stopped with front and back brakes and then both together. I learnt how to corner properly and also how quickly I could get my bike turned if a situation arose where I needed to very quickly change direction.
I learnt the basics of how MY bike handles so that I can go out on the road and know how to deal with various situations.
I think that having some training on a track is highly beneficial. Learn the appropriate actions for hazard avoidance before you actually need to dodge that kid on the push bike that just shot out on the road infront of you!
Yes, I stuffed up. I was tired and not concentrating. Now I have learnt not to do it again and if I ever need to dodge another vehicle on a gravel road I know not to lean the bike over too far which could save my life.

If you have nothing positive or constructive to say, please post elsewhere...

[Fast Eddie]

crashings all part of it..

you'll crash again - don't worry bout it lol.

[MystikEagle]

crashings all part of it..

you'll crash again - don't worry bout it lol.

Too true! I think the stress of it happening (first crash and all) has worn off now. Looked at the bike today and honestly don't think I will worry about touching it up. Already had a few scrapes there anyways...
Just have to find some time to get back on it and hope that my confidence hasn't dropped again...

[Drew]

"The right way to corner".

Training failure.

"How quickly I could get my bike stopped with front brake/both brakes".

Same same or you don't know how fast you can stop your bike with the front brake.

I'm sure these training days are beneficial to most people. I'm also sure their selling a farce with all the "right ways". Instead of 'not wrong ways'.

[ckai]

I think that TRAINING days on a track are a great way to learn how your bike handles without having to worry about oncoming traffic.
I learnt how quickly I could get my bike stopped with front and back brakes and then both together. I learnt how to corner properly and also how quickly I could get my bike turned if a situation arose where I needed to very quickly change direction.
I learnt the basics of how MY bike handles so that I can go out on the road and know how to deal with various situations.
I think that having some training on a track is highly beneficial. Learn the appropriate actions for hazard avoidance before you actually need to dodge that kid on the push bike that just shot out on the road infront of you!
Yes, I stuffed up. I was tired and not concentrating. Now I have learnt not to do it again and if I ever need to dodge another vehicle on a gravel road I know not to lean the bike over too far which could save my life.

If you have nothing positive or constructive to say, please post elsewhere...

Booya! haha

Hey here's a question(s), how was your riding on the road after your "track" day compared with riding there? Did you find you were more aware of your surroundings? How far ahead were you looking compared to before? Did you ride slower or faster? Did you pull wheelies and try and get your knee-down?

crashings all part of it..

you'll crash again - don't worry bout it lol.

Holy shit! Don't say that! Not here. Of all places.

...and hope that my confidence hasn't dropped again...

You know that's bollucks

PS, don't all your threads you start turn to custard? haha

I shall now stop stirring the pot...maybe

[arcane12]

"The right way to corner".

Training failure.

"How quickly I could get my bike stopped with front brake/both brakes".

Same same or you don't know how fast you can stop your bike with the front brake.

I'm sure these training days are beneficial to most people. I'm also sure their selling a farce with all the "right ways". Instead of 'not wrong ways'.

Have you considered that perhaps they were pointing out errors in cornering etc, and that has been summed up as 'The right way to corner' rather than explaining each error they might have pointed out? Just stating 'Training failure' really jumps to a conclusion with very limited information.

I am not even sure what the hell you are trying to say in your second line. But to me it seems like the OP described an exercise that would show a new bike rider the relative strengths of each brake (which can be useful to know in situations such as a blowout) and the merit of using both brakes. I know a number of new riders will mostly use front only as it is the better brake, and they don't want to over complicate things. I did it a bit (guilty confession). I quickly forced myself to use the back brake more, and am glad of it.

Perhaps you should attend the next training day and write up a breakdown of what they taught and why it is a farce, and wrong, and not for new bike riders?

I am going to end with a nice happy face to show that I mean this as part of a light hearted discussion, with no evil intent.

And a bit more on topic: That first picture makes the damage look scary, but from a bit further back in the second one, it's just a cool 'war wound' right?

[Maha]

Yes you are correct. Thread starter says on first post." After track day of ect ect I went into my driveway going too fast and lent over to far " on Gravel entrance !

Do you understand now ? It is not a big deal !!! Nor am I a Kiwibitcher fucken idiot ! Just trying to keep some alive a mite longer.

Some posters just like to be patted on the back with that words ''you'll be fine'' uttered quietly in their ear, without taking in constructive comments...positive or otherwise..

[Drew]

Have you considered that perhaps they were pointing out errors in cornering etc, and that has been summed up as 'The right way to corner' rather than explaining each error they might have pointed out? Just stating 'Training failure' really jumps to a conclusion with very limited information.

I am not even sure what the hell you are trying to say in your second line. But to me it seems like the OP described an exercise that would show a new bike rider the relative strengths of each brake (which can be useful to know in situations such as a blowout) and the merit of using both brakes. I know a number of new riders will mostly use front only as it is the better brake, and they don't want to over complicate things. I did it a bit (guilty confession). I quickly forced myself to use the back brake more, and am glad of it.

Perhaps you should attend the next training day and write up a breakdown of what they taught and why it is a farce, and wrong, and not for new bike riders?

I am going to end with a nice happy face to show that I mean this as part of a light hearted discussion, with no evil intent.

And a bit more on topic: That first picture makes the damage look scary, but from a bit further back in the second one, it's just a cool 'war wound' right?

My final line of text is quite clear I thought, but I'll paraphrase. If they are selling it as "the right way", then they are a farce. If in fact the girl doing the course is just paraphrasing by saying. "The right way". Then by all means there is no problem.

I do not wish to even bother with the 'blowout' comment. It's just too hard. As for braking, I mean to say that you can stop just as fast using nothing but front brake, as you can with both. I am more than happy to prove this to anyone who wants to see me abuse their bike.

You are right, I do need to do one of these courses. If I learn something it is a win, if I make fools of them (which would certainly be the opposite of status quoe), it is a win.

[tbs]

My final line of text is quite clear I thought, but I'll paraphrase. If they are selling it as "the right way", then they are a farce. If in fact the girl doing the course is just paraphrasing by saying. "The right way". Then by all means there is no problem.

I do not wish to even bother with the 'blowout' comment. It's just too hard. As for braking, I mean to say that you can stop just as fast using nothing but front brake, as you can with both. I am more than happy to prove this to anyone who wants to see me abuse their bike.

You are right, I do need to do one of these courses. If I learn something it is a win, if I make fools of them (which would certainly be the opposite of status quoe), it is a win.

I did a course soon after buying my first bike, and I was glad I did as they taught me the various ways of making a bike turn, with a big emphasis on taking a wider line into a corner. In my case I had years of riding and racing mountain bikes but the cornering techniques I use for that were entirely wrong for a motorbike. It was quite instructive watching riders who had been riding for a number of years arguing about technique with the coaches. One that stuck out was a rider who had had a few scary moments on his bike trying to use predominantly the back brake. (Triumph Sprint, not a cruiser). He was arguing their point that he should be using mainly the front brake, and couldn't understand why the back had kept trying to come around on him.

I think the main point of these training days is to weed out bad technique, which I think might be what you are getting at.