Atgatt fail

[hayd3n]

A couple of times in the last month or so I've seen an injun dude on a scooter who thinks his turban is the same as a helmet. It's clowns like this (amongst other types of idiot) who cause our ACC levies to be so high

it is legal to wear a turban it you dont go over 50kms

[FJRider]

So...any stats to prove 'clowns' on motorbikes who wear turbans instead of helmets injure their head more frequently/severely than people who wear helmets???

And stats to prove they, as a result 'cause our ACC levies to be so high?

The stat's in India would prove it's possible ...

But I have never heard of one single Sikh killed on a motorcycle (in NZ) ... because he wasn't wearing a helmet.

[FJRider]

it islegal to wear a turban it you dont go over 50kms

It IS legal to wear a turban ... no matter what religion you belong to (or how fast you walk). But to wear a turban on a motorcycle ... you must be able to prove you are of that belief. and ... not exceed 50 km/hr.

[SMOKEU]

So if a terrorist doesn't wear a lid, that means they have double the chance of getting their 72 virgins.

[Road kill]

A couple of times in the last month or so I've seen an injun dude on a scooter who thinks his turban is the same as a helmet. It's clowns like this (amongst other types of idiot) who cause our ACC levies to be so high

So say's the local rep' for the number 1 group of ACC biker stat's.

[Magnum Noel]

So if a terrorist doesn't wear a lid, that means they have double the chance of getting their 72 virgins.

Are you sure it's still 72? I thought that No. had gone up. Anyway who the hell would want 72 or more virgins all talking and arguing at the same time!!!!

[Whynot]

Do you guys also take photos of people not wearing seatbelts and post them on the internet?

[SMOKEU]

Are you sure it's still 72? I thought that No. had gone up. Anyway who the hell would want 72 or more virgins all talking and arguing at the same time!!!!

If you join up to snackbarism, you get a free 10 virgin starter package.

[James Deuce]

A couple of times in the last month or so I've seen an injun dude on a scooter who thinks his turban is the same as a helmet. It's clowns like this (amongst other types of idiot) who cause our ACC levies to be so high

If he's a Sikh, he's not allowed to wear anything on his head other than a turban. I believe exceptions are available on religious grounds.

ACC levies are so high because motorcyclists don't have the capacity to unite behind a lobby group. ACC motorcycle levies have nothing to do with actual injuries. They are an arbitrary tax applied to a group who looks like they are more vulnerable than most (despite the most expensive customers for ACC being a bloke with a chainsaw, a woman with a wheelbarrow and a woman riding a horse) and so can be targeted with made up stats and just because. The constant ad hominen whine about other motorcyclists "making our levies so high" is just another sign that the Government has not only won, we believe wholeheartedly the propaganda they used to justify raising it. Well I don't but I'm picking that you've perhaps bought into it?

It was a long term cash grab, based on making ACC a commercial medical insurance scheme.

How's this for a cunning first step for milking motorcyclists? They allowed the top end of the capacity range for LAMS bikes to exceed the second tier of ACC levy charges.

Stop blaming other motorcyclists for our failures at politics and have a think about how we can present a united front that is socially acceptable and therefore garners public support. "Motorcycling NZ Inc." needs to have at least a weekly presence in the press. Every time a motorcyclist is injured or dies there needs to be an expression of sympathy and call to investigate the causes of the incident and an offer of support to families, first responders and investigating agencies. Every time more than three motorcyclists get together and give money to charity there needs to be a motorcycle friendly article, not a hugely inaccurate piece of fluff written by a 12 year-old female reporter with one eye on a telly job telling us how lovely bikies are when they're not dealing P. Being visible once every 10 years or so is not doing "us" any good. Neither is using a public forum to further support the Government's "divide & conquer" strategy which so far is jolly well winning without much of a push back.

[Tink]

Do you guys also take photos of people not wearing seatbelts and post them on the internet?

Good Point!

If he's a Sikh, he's not allowed to wear anything on his head other than a turban. I believe exceptions are available on religious grounds.

ACC levies are so high because motorcyclists don't have the capacity to unite behind a lobby group. ACC motorcycle levies have nothing to do with actual injuries. They are an arbitrary tax applied to a group who looks like they are more vulnerable than most (despite the most expensive customers for ACC being a bloke with a chainsaw, a woman with a wheelbarrow and a woman riding a horse) and so can be targeted with made up stats and just because. The constant ad hominen whine about other motorcyclists "making our levies so high" is just another sign that the Government has not only won, we believe wholeheartedly the propaganda they used to justify raising it. Well I don't but I picking that you've perhaps bought into it?

It was a long term cash grab, based on making ACC a commercial medical insurance scheme.

How's this for a cunning first step for milking motorcyclists? They allowed the top end of the capacity range for LAMS bikes to exceed the second tier of ACC levy charges.

Stop blaming other motorcyclists for our failures at politics and have a think about how we can present a united front that is socially acceptable and therefore garners public support. "Motorcycling NZ Inc." needs to have at least a weekly presence in the press. Every time a motorcyclist is injured or dies there needs to be an expression of sympathy and call to investigate the causes of the incident and an offer of support to families, first responders and investigating agencies. Every time more than three motorcyclists get together and give money to charity there needs to be a motorcycle friendly article, not a hugely inaccurate piece of fluff written by a 12 year-old female reporter with one eye on a telly job telling us how lovely bikies are when they're not dealing P. Being visible once every 10 years or so is not doing "us" any good. Neither is using a public forum to further support the Government's "divide & conquer" strategy which so far is jolly well winning without much of a push back.

100% agree here.... why is not good news about bikers major news! We all need to get off our power trips on wheels, and get with the real facts, people die because of sheer stupidity on the roads, male/female ... young/old it does not matter, we are all individuals that have responsibilities for the safety of ourselves and others! Money does not save lives.... common sense does!

[imdying]

No stress here, it looks like a problem that'll take care of itself via Gene'O'Clean (tm)

[schrodingers cat]

So...any stats to prove 'clowns' on motorbikes who wear turbans instead of helmets injure their head more frequently/severely than people who wear helmets???

And stats to prove they, as a result 'cause our ACC levies to be so high?

You are absolutely correct.
Everybody knows there is no direct correlation between statistics and levies

[Owl]

Stop

Must spread rep.

[scumdog]

Neither is using a public forum to further support the Government's "divide & conquer" strategy which so far is jolly well winning without much of a push back.

Nicely put.

But worth the effort given the attitude of many on this site?

I doubt it...

[caspernz]

Don't be a fuckin retard. How many people do you think get injured on road bikes from not wearing a helmet?

If it made one tenth of a percent of injuries, I'll eat my helmet.

Would you like that rare, medium or well done sir? Oh, and would you like fries with that