Help me prevent bad habits?

[BoristheBiter]

I'll take IAM over the metaphysical track-focused nonsense that is CSS any day thanks. Well actually I'd love to do both, repeatedly, but I reckon this thread is for ad hominem attacks and deriding everybody else's preferred advanced training schemes. So there sonny.

If you read my post again I am saying neither is better but don't let that stop a good fact less rant that you are so good at.

There are plenty of dickheads riding and driving every day who would look at you as if you were the micro-cephalic moron (ad hominem attack alert!) you so clearly are if you mentioned "blind spot" in the context of driving or riding. After paying for my own driving lessons @ age 16 I got a cuff around the ear for suggesting to my Dad that he might want to think about turning his head to check "blind spots". I got told, "That's what bloody mirrors are for, you idiot".

Thanks for that pile of drivel that makes no sense other than you know a head size disorder but don't know how to spell it.

So are you saying there is no blind spot? or if your mirrors are positioned correctly there isn't one? or that your father enjoyed slapping you round the head (but then who wouldn't)

[James Deuce]

Thanks for that pile of drivel that makes no sense other than you know a head size disorder but don't know how to spell it.

So are you saying there is no blind stop? or if your mirrors are positioned correctly there isn't one? or that your father enjoyed slapping you round the head (but then who wouldn't)

Oh noes, he gave me red!! What's "blind stop"?

I've "become" a dick? I always was one. You need to work on your judgment of character.

I don't know what I was saying, what was I saying? No idea. Something to do with fishing possibly?

[BoristheBiter]

Oh noes, he gave me red!! What's "blind stop"?

I've "become" a dick? I always was one. You need to work on your judgment of character.

I don't know what I was saying, what was I saying? No idea. Something to do with fishing possibly?

Maybe you're right but I always give people the benefit of the doubt and in your case there is no doubt at all anymore.

[GrayWolf]

So I guess you have never done a CSS day as if you had you would know it is not a track day.
Yes it is on a track as it is far safer than on the road.
Does it teach you all about riding? no. does any? no. does it teach you how do do it properly? yes. in a safe environment? yes
Yes you do learn about turn it points, apexing corners and looking through a corner but i'm pretty sure you need to do that on the road.

Like you said the book is ONE training tool not the only one but then "hater's are gonna hate" when it comes to CSS

And as for your ill informed knowledge, and i use the term lightly, in CSS you only get to ride around in one gear and not to use any brakes on the first session, two gears on the second, and so on and the last session is when you can go faster and use your brakes.

So whom would take this IAM course? is it for nooBS or experienced riders as the thought of learning some new skills in traffic and some knob getting in my blind spot with the sole purpose of trying to get you to jump while you are maneuvering sounds a bit of a dumb thing to do. That's just asking for a crash.
And in the golden wisdom that is jrandom if you need someone to teach you about blind spots they shouldn't be riding.

And the seventy's was forty years ago grandad.

JEEZUS H CHRISTOS!! ,
Boris are you really such a specimen of motorcycling pre-Neanderthal thinking?
Track days.. YES they can and DO teach you bike HANDLING SKILLS!!!!
Apexing, looking through corners etc etc is only PART of roadcraft, which is what you track day moronic cocks fail to understand.

ROAD CRAFT? is being able to identify IN ADVANCE possible situations that can result in a direct or possible threat. Threat Vectoring, planning escape route in advance, anticipating possible position a 'threat vehicle' could occupy if it shifts from possible to 'real' threat...
Most of the rossi wannabe's I watch ride over the Taka's take corners so fucking fast that if there was an accident just round the point of vision they wouldnt even have time to think "oh fuck" before they joined it in a highly personal manner.
Roadcraft.... slow in, fast out.... rossicockwannabe method... fast in dont, come out. roadcraft skills 'owning' your piece of road (position and dealing with aggressive or intimidating drivers) You cant teach THAT on a race track...
I have never said I am 'anti' track days.... they are simply NOT the be all and end all.... the ROADCRAFT manual is just that R O A D spells ROAD not fucken TRACKcraft........
Yes the course I went on was for 'full license holders' if you Youtube the UK training schools the Police teach a less intense level to novice riders... The point of the 'knob making us jump' was to prove how little people use rear observation, its called the 'life saver' (if you cant see why the instructor used any method to hammer home how vital this simple quick check over the shoulder is) and from what I see of NZ riders very rarely used. Then one day you may just become a statistic of a right hand turn accident.

If there are two skills to look at
track day equals reactive skill..... how do I get get myself out of this shit?
roadcraft teaching....... I anticipate the situation and avoid it, PROACTIVE skill

now if you can stop blathering on ad nauseum about racetrack days.... which in reality is the preferable?? to react to, or, simply not be in the situation?

now be a good boy, go fetch the old farts pipe and slippers... and here's $10, nip down to the chemist for a box of depends.... thank you Sonny!

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[Blackbird]

Grey Wolf and James D,

No point in trying to argue the toss with knuckle draggers. Help the people who want to be helped and hope that Natural Selection takes care of the others without them visiting carnage on other road users.

[GrayWolf]

Well said . I'd been riding for 40 years and thought I was ok until I joined IAM last year. Major ego damage initially, but the difference in my riding standard is immense. The Roadcraft book is excellent but the hands-on training which goes with it in unbelievably good. Delivered by the best of the best on an entirely voluntary basis because they're passionate about road safety. The on-going nature of it helps to prevent the inevitable slide in standards which you get from any one-off course too. It's a pretty demanding to pass but then again, that's what makes it so bloody worthwhile.

Yes that's the bit that worries me, just how much I have probably, ok, DEFINITELY 'slipped' in the last UMM 'cough cough mumble' years. I think I would likely suffer immense 'ego damage' as well I keep meaning to, but either working shifts dont get the days off at the right time, or to be honest havent really gotten off my arse to jack up going. When I did the one in the UK there were a few of us who frequently rode together across Europe, so we had an 'incentive' to go.

[Blackbird]

Yes that's the bit that worries me, just how much I have probably, ok, DEFINITELY 'slipped' in the last UMM 'cough cough mumble' years. I think I would likely suffer immense 'ego damage' as well I keep meaning to, but either working shifts dont get the days off at the right time, or to be honest havent really gotten off my arse to jack up going. When I did the one in the UK there were a few of us who frequently rode together across Europe, so we had an 'incentive' to go.

I'm in my 60's and it's that "getting off arse" bit which was the first hurdle! It was actually someone else who shamed me into getting an assessment of my riding by a competent 3rd party and for what it's worth, I detailed the experience here: http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/201...sterclass.html. I know it's preaching to the converted in your case but this is where I think IAM scores above all other forms of advanced training: http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/201...ills-some.html. Since passing the full membership test, I wanted to pay it forward by helping others and training as an Observer. By crikey, it was like starting out all over again .

Living in Coromandel, it means 600 km days to go up and ride with the Auckland Regional branch of IAM but hell, who could complain about long days on 2 wheels?

[BoristheBiter]

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Now as I said to James and his juice box go and read the post again you fucking retard. (yep I can abuse you just as well and i do not need fancy words)

At no point have i said anything about a track day.
At no point have i said that css is all you need.
No where does it say that CSS is a track day.

You and old farts like you are so one eyed about track days that you fail to see the use that they hold or the fun that can be had on them.
Maybe join the rest of us in the 21st century where we are able to use all means of training and not be stuck "back in the day" where you have to choose one or the other.

Now go and find your glasses as it is quite obvious you need them and I'll be back from the chemist as quick as i can but i doubt that they make depends for your mouth, maybe try the other foot.

[st00ji]

fucken lol.

wonder if we'll ever see the OP again

[madandy]

I have just fired off an enquiry to IAM for truck, car and bike.
I plan to do at least one track day this year and an advanced road craft style riding course.
You can never learn too much when it comes to living

Merry Christmas all

[Blackbird]

I have just fired off an enquiry to IAM for truck, car and bike.
I plan to do at least one track day this year and an advanced road craft style riding course.
You can never learn too much when it comes to living

Merry Christmas all

Andy,
Your nearest current IAM mentor is in Hamilton. There is one other member in Tauranga and another who travels from Katikati to our Auckland last Sunday of the month (bikes). I travel from Coro Town.
Cheers,
Geoff

[madandy]

Andy,
Your nearest current IAM mentor is in Hamilton. There is one other member in Tauranga and another who travels from Katikati to our Auckland last Sunday of the month (bikes). I travel from Coro Town.
Cheers,
Geoff

Hi Geoff,

The Katikati member wouln't happen to be Ian Sylvester would it?
Thanks for the tip,

Andy

[GrayWolf]

Now as I said to James and his juice box go and read the post again you fucking retard. (yep I can abuse you just i DONT have the vocabulary to be able to use fancy words)

At no point have i said anything about a track day. ......
CSS is done on a track, not on the highway.

At no point have i said that css is all you need.....
do you actually admit/agree that css and/or track days do NOT teach 'roadcraft'?

No where does it say that CSS is a track day..........
it's done on a track, wich is equivalent to the basic handling skills being done in a car park environment... Isolated, safe, secure and no 'distractions or INTERACTIONS from other vehicles, road users.

You and old farts like you are so one eyed about track days that you fail to see the use that they hold or the fun that can be had on them.
Maybe join the rest of us in the 21st century where we are able to use all means of training and not be stuck "back in the day" where you have to choose one or the other..........
Yes you're right we ARE one eyed about them, just like the exponents of them are 'one eyed'... I will bet a pound to a pinch of shit you have NEVER even read the 'Roadcraft manual'... but sonny you are quick to 'toss it off' as old hat, useless, not 21st century... Yet the MODERN 21st Century Police and 21st century riding schools use it as the basis of their curriculum's.

Now go and find your glasses as it is quite obvious you need them and I'll be back from the chemist as quick as i can but i doubt that they make depends for your mouth, maybe try the other foot.

Oh while you're there. (chemist) use the change to purchase a pacifier for yourself.... if you dip it in honey you'll suck on it for longer,,,,,, Dont worry about the lines on your arse, they're cradle marks, you lose them when you become a big boy.

[BoristheBiter]

Oh while you're there. (chemist) use the change to purchase a pacifier for yourself.... if you dip it in honey you'll suck on it for longer,,,,,, Dont worry about the lines on your arse, they're cradle marks, you lose them when you become a big boy.

Sorry no lines, i ride dirt

But Merry Christmas to you.

Have a safe ride.

[GrayWolf]

Sorry no lines, i ride dirt

But Merry Christmas to you.

Have a safe ride.

Merry Xmas to you too Boris,
Ride safe, Enjoy the Holiday

GW