Harley Sportster 883 Low Rider on a learner licence!

[Crasherfromwayback]

LOL yeah fair enough... especially if the fella that hits you is on His 883 on a learners...

Correct!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'd love to share a day in the life with someone who doesn't ride Jap Crap, and has no other Japanese made products in their life either as someone with such strong convictions on something like this muct have to go well out of their way to stick by them...

do H-D still use Yuasa batteries, Nissin calipers and Showa forks and shocks?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sounds like they have standards. A man has to have standards.
I just wonder where their cellphone is made however. Wonder if they wear a casio wristwatch? TV and DVD's? Bet they keep their standards by not buying asian made shit. What have they ever invented?

P/T for those KB'ers of a slow disposition...

A Casio wristwatch? really? some of us have standards you know.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm also wondering if his insurance coverage will hold up when it is discovered that he is not legally licenced for the bike he chooses to ride? In my experience if they can avoid paying out then they will. I know of instances after crashes where the uninsured rider was held on the hook for a lifetime of support payments to the person they injured/disabled. Heck of a gamble just to feed his ego.

Not in NZ big boy, not after 1974.

[Gremlin]

Well, if he's pulled up, he'll be required to produce his licence. Matters not who the bike is registered to, unless it's only electronic checks (ie, no human cop checks licence of rider currently on motorcycle). You don't ask about insurance, so I won't cover that aspect.

Failure to produce licence will be $55, if he tries not to. Trying to fool the police in regards his identity should he try that, makes all of this quite trivial by comparison.

So, for breaching his licence conditions:

Breaching the learner conditions of your driver licence (other than failing to display L plates) could result in you receiving 35 demerit points and a fine of $100. If you breach any other conditions of your driver licence you could receive 25 demerit points and be subject to a fine of $400.

Source: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ro...1-learner.html

[arcane12]

Yep, NIA holds firearms, intelligence and arrest photos - pretty wide database particularly of those likely to tell fibs.

Plus it will be able to have access to our ID card photos as "real me" rolls out, and everyone will be on that soon enough.

The bloody annoying part about this is, as others have said, that the 883 is a great learners bike. Low, wide bars, modest and predictable power output.

I asked NZTA why they made a 660cc limit.

They told me they didn't want learners riding bikes that were to big or heavy. I pointed out that cc's weigh nothing, and the best measure of size and weight was mm and kg.

As usual the NZTA didnt care, and ignored best practice - they just couldn't shake off an old fashioned obsession with cc ratings.

Consequently, bikes like the 883, or even the NC700 which is specifically designed for learners, are off limits here.

Still, plenty of good bikes are available for LAMs and in practice, as the database is such crap, it will morph into a 660cc limit, as it will be virtually impossible to tell if a bike is LAMs compliant on the side of the road, due to the number of crap records on the MVR.

I love the irony of the changes in the law - 'We think rating by cc's is outdated as some 250's can put out too much power, so we are changing to power to weight. And no more that 660cc." (not an actual quote)

Sigh. I guess I should have started my bike riding a few months earlier. I could have been done in 9 months rather than 2 years.

Is ride height an issue? I would have thought a taller rider would want a taller bike, or is that an issue for learners, even if they can reach the ground easily? Is it to do with the higher centre of mass? A weight limit might have been a better choice than CC limit. Can't have learners on a Goldwing can we? (Older models. The 1800 actually seems to put itself out of the 150kw/t limit. Maybe a LAMS variant could be made? )

[Banditbandit]

Failure to produce licence will be $55, if he tries not to. Trying to fool the police in regards his identity should he try that, makes all of this quite trivial by comparison.

ANd - if you have no licence and no other form of identity police can assume that the driver/rider is giving false details and have stolen the vehicle ... so they can immediately impound it on suspicion ...

[sinfull]

Who cares ?

He obviously wanted the bike, willing to take the consequences !

Know of a few lads riding big blocks on their learners, quite a few ! Oh and big Jap bikes too !
With the changes in demerit laws where there are big numbers on things like wrong class etc, it's gonna give a few the learn albeit slowly !

Just happens they've had their learners or none whatsoever for some time (read eons), the law change seeing the learner licence expire now, as i believe is the case, might see them move on to doing their restricted and fulls (if someone knows how the law reads and could find it for me, i'll stick it up on our clubs page to start educating a few)

Last couple of years has seen two or three of our boys get their full, couple more and we'll have a licensed group ! Something we're pushing them into as it makes it handy when doing kids (adults too, even a few real old girls lol) rides at local school galas etc (less work on the licensed boys

[SMOKEU]

Be sure to laugh in his face if he gets arrested for providing false details.

[Tigadee]

I'd love to share a day in the life with someone who doesn't ride Jap Crap, and has no other Japanese made products in their life either as someone with such strong convictions on something like this muct have to go well out of their way to stick by them...

I knew a few Japs who wouldn't be caught dead with anything other than a Japanese product, be it Mitsubishi, Nissan, Honda, Sony, Sanyo, Fuji, Nikon, etc.

[Brian d marge]

I knew a few Japs who wouldn't be caught dead with anything other than a Japanese product, be it Mitsubishi, Nissan, Honda, Sony, Sanyo, Fuji, Nikon, etc.

They all get genuine English sausage from me

Stephen