Getting back into riding but first new bike how to treat?

[Glowerss]

Around $16000 but thats LAMS ABS 650 so I thought it's a solid investment they are only coming in this year though the LAMS ones and only if they are ordered in advance as far as I know.

Right on. Glad to hear it

You may want to submit an application in to the NZTA, however, as it isn't currently on our LAMS list. It'll get approved of for sure if the aussies have. But you won't be legal until it's added.

[Danzano]

Sure isn't a LAMS ER6n according to the NZTA. And the ER6n Isn't LAMS approved. Aus has a LAMS Approved ER6nL or ER6fL, but none so far as I've heard or seen of here.

IF you did actually get a ER6nL or whatever, you might want to get it submitted to the NZTA prontoish, as currently it isn't on the LAMS list and you wouldn't be legal riding it.

Also, you might want to find out what it costs to "derestrict" it. Most of the time it takes a new ECU which can be quite pricey.

The ER6NL abides to:

a maximum power-to-weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne (the power is that specified by the manufacturer and the weight is the weight specified by the manufacturer plus 90kgs for the rider and riding gear); and
an upper engine capacity limit of 660cc.

Also google image search
ER650FDFW
EX650FDFW

Both show the ER6N also the ER6NL is the same engine as used in http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/catalog/st...0FDSW/overview

If the NZTA does not approve it then yes I will write to them as it would be absurde for it to be illegal.

Also to derestrict it is easy one fuse and a bolt in the throttle body should not need new ecu.

[Danzano]

The irony in your post is spectacular, sir. The OP EXPLICITLY states two things:

A) It's a LAMS bike, and

B) " have been reading as much as possible because the bike im buying I want to learn on so learners restricted then full and unrestrict it to 53kW and keep it. It will take 5years to pay off so how do I do what is best for the bike and protect the biggest investment in my life thus far. "

I suggest you read more carefully yourself there big fulla before accusing other people of the same thing

Also big fulla was right there I just didnt want to say I have not so legal riding experience from when I was younger or ummmm I mean track days............

[tigertim20]

Hi Guys

the bike im buying I want to learn on so learners restricted then full and unrestrict it to 53kW

Also to derestrict it is easy one fuse and a bolt in the throttle body .

[FJRider]

Also to derestrict it is easy one fuse and a bolt in the throttle body should not need new ecu.

Usually the MAIN reason they are not on the list. And they have stated derestricted models of any brand of motorcycles are not (and never will be) on the list.

[Danzano]

Usually the MAIN reason they are not on the list. And they have stated derestricted models of any brand of motorcycles are not (and never will be) on the list.

Exactly so I import it restricted I keep it restricted untill I get my full licence and then I derestrict it I mean really even if it did take a new ecu then im paying for an upgrade instead of a whole new bike either way I thought it was a win win.

Also thankyou to everyone who answered my actual 2 questions about tyres and also break in period and method on the engine. I think you guys are right and i'll stick to what the book says so I can claim warrenty and such.

Also good to know most people on here are friendly and constructive with there posts

[FJRider]

Exactly so I import it restricted I keep it restricted untill I get my full licence and then I derestrict it I mean really even if it did take a new ecu then im paying for an upgrade instead of a whole new bike either way I thought it was a win win.

Question one ... Who told you it was LAM's approved .. ??


two ... Which part of Restricted motorcycles are NOT LAM's approved .. don't you understand ??



Your intent is understandable ... but under the LAM's rules ... not allowed.

[Danzano]

Question one ... Who told you it was LAM's approved .. ??


two ... Which part of Restricted motorcycles are NOT LAM's approved .. don't you understand ??



Your intent is understandable ... but under the LAM's rules ... not allowed.

The dealership that said this is the first year they are also coming to NZ

Also the bike ER6NL runs the same engine as http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/catalog/st...0FDSW/overview which is on the kawasaki NZ website being sold as a LAMS motorcycle but runs the exact same engine and restriction so either kawasaki is commiting fraud to nz people looking into these bikes or alternitively its another lazy nz gov website that needs to update its lists and or is currently approving said bikes??

Im not good with legal things and I could be completly wrong but it seems a bit silly right?

Also the whole reason I want that bike is because the last bike I used for any period of time was a trumpy RS sprint so I dont wanna grab a 250 just for licencing and out grow it quickly or another bike that is higher capacity but gutless and will need selling at some point anyway.

Can anyone help on the matter or what do I need to do to get it approved? I dont want the whole exercise and all the hassle with the bank etc to be in vein especially when the math and idea are solid as hell under nzta's own rules

ER6NL 35kW right? So 35 divide by 206kg bike curb weight plus me 89kg then times by 1000 118 kilowatts over the tonne eg under 150kW/T and ABS brakes an advanced safety feature as nzta states

But I guess all fails and a few of us on here get one http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...plications.pdf. will have to do the trick then its a waiting game.

[FJRider]

It is not the engine .. but the ease and ability to DE- restrict the motorcycle.

Get confirmation from LTSA that it is (will be) LAM's approved. A phone call maybe.

[FJRider]

Also good to know most people on here are friendly and constructive with there posts

And some don't listen to what they are being told.

[Danzano]

It is not the engine .. but the ease and ability to DE- restrict the motorcycle.

Get confirmation from LTSA that it is (will be) LAM's approved. A phone call maybe.

Problem being the one on the website that i linked is the exact same process unless they have changed it on the 2013 model

I think I will need to as it is not that easy you have to know where to look and be able to take out the throttle assy so most would have to see a mechanic who would say no if on anything but a full licence and you would be stupid to do it before getting your full because of insurance etc

But yes I think my plan for tomorrow will be to phone them and to apply for it to go on the list etc

[FJRider]

I think I will need to as it is not that easy you have to know where to look and be able to take out the throttle assy so most would have to see a mechanic who would say no if on anything but a full licence and you would be stupid to do it before getting your full because of insurance etc

It does not matter who does the de-restriction .. it only matters that it CAN be done. That simple.

But yes I think my plan for tomorrow will be to phone them and to apply for it to go on the list etc

You don't ring to apply (they wont let you do that on the phone anyway) ... just ask for confirmation it is, or it will be on the approved list.

[bluninja]

Ignoring the LAMs issue....

Tyres : personally I find a road with lots of slow speed turns and an abrasive surface. I ride on the straight applying the brakes progressively from light to hard braking to scrub in the centre. This helps warm up the tyre and (for a new bike, or with new pads) helps bed in the brakes. It also allows you to get to know your stopping capabilities and how your bike feels. Then take it through the slow twisties gradually increasing the lean angle, tll it leans as far as you are comfortable with. Then get off and have a look at your tyre to see the wear pattern and if you have worn off the slippery stuff of the tyre that you use. You can do this in the wet too, (sometimes it rains for weeks), just be more careful.

Engine breakin : I've only had 6 brand new bikes, run in 3 by the book (all Kawasakis ZZR600, ZL600, ZX9R)and all was sweet.....the ZX9R wasn't down on power on Monza racetrack against race prepped 900s and I ran it for 5 years with a sweet engine. I ran 1 in on the track for racing, power was good...don't know about longevity as I sold it on after 18 months. The other 2 were run in by riding them as normal once the engine was up to temp after scrubbing the tyres and bedding in the brakes, and working the gears till the engine loosens up a bit. The first bike I had for 10 years, and I still have the current bike 18 months on and it seems fine (so far). I've found v-twins seem to take more running in to get the engine sweet than i4s. Don't remember the eliminator being different to the i4s.

As far as warranty goes....how would a manufacturer know what revs you had used at what kms?

[Danzano]

So stick within the book or just outside all will be fine I think I will listen to your advice the most as you use the same brand of bike and how many you have owned speaks for itself

Thanks for your advice and guidance greatly appreciated

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[bluninja]

Thanks, but my last 3 bikes purchases.... new curvy SV650 for racing (new), pointy SV650S (18 months old) for commuting 1200kms a week, new DL650 (SV650 engine in a adventure bike like body). I've only owned Suzukis, Kawasakis, and Aprilias.