Licence question

[Dragon]

Your argument about going from a car to a bike and already knowing the rules could be used by a 16yo going from a pushie to a car. In both cases there is a big learning curve ahead.

They give out licences for push bikes now? also not many push bikes have lights or indicators etc

I feel what im trying to say isnt coming off very well

Let me try again

I think that the licencing system should be based on peoples skill as well as other factors

Lets try another example

You have a 35year old car driver with 20years on the road time he has sat and gotten his full licence

Due to the fact that hes not used to how a bike works he gets a lams approved bike because he wants to follow the law.

Does his 6months and realizes that he could handle something bigger due to the fact you dont need to use all the power you have avilable and he is sensible

So he goes to a 1200cc bike which he rides on weekends or the odd group ride and has no issue then he gets his full 18months later

Now apart from the fact hes breaching his licence does anybody see anything wrong with that?

Hes crossed the car skills over to the bike which gives him an advantage over a brand new rider, he is aware that the bike is more dangerous due to the fact its smaller etc and expands his awareness.

I would not sugguest a 16year old to jump straight onto a 600 but I also dont sugguest that they go out and buy a skyline either (but they can) and they can do alot more damage in a car then on a bike

My issue is that I dont like most of the lams bikes due to the styling and price

I know I would get bored and want a 600 in 6months anyway

Reasons I want a 600 is because right now I get knocked around by the wind and I have no power if I get into trouble

Its not like im going for a 1000cc bike because I know they can be to heavy for me

Maybe im explaining this wrong :s

[superjackal]

I sympathise with Dragon as I'm in the same position. I've got 20+ years in cars on 5 continents. Motorbikes are different - but not "18 months" different. It's like learning another language - you learn fast when you're immersed in the environment.

Let's say 2 people go for their full.

The first covers 20,000kms in 18 months in a variety of driving situations and all weathers.

The second drives for 18 months and only on Sundays when it's not raining or windy or crowded and doesn't even cover 1,000kms.

According to our seemingly arbitrary laws both drivers are the same.

Not so.

It's easy to say "wait" when you already have your full licence and can ride anything you want to.

[Scuba_Steve]

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Learners equals theory and basic handling course.
Restricted = lose the L plate and remove the hour restrictions
Full = cart blanc

Last I checked the ONLY thing restricted does on a bike is lose the L plate, time restriction still applies.

[Dragon]

Last I checked the ONLY thing restricted does on a bike is lose the L plate, time restriction still applies.

You are correct I rang up and confirmed today

Also found out the day I can sit my Restricted and that I still have 0 demerits like I have for the last 2+ years

oh and if you get pulled over on a bigger bike its only 25 demerits not 100% sure what $$$ though

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

[FJRider]

I sympathise with Dragon as I'm in the same position. I've got 20+ years in cars on 5 continents. Motorbikes are different - but not "18 months" different. It's like learning another language - you learn fast when you're immersed in the environment.

Let's say 2 people go for their full.

The first covers 20,000kms in 18 months in a variety of driving situations and all weathers.

The second drives for 18 months and only on Sundays when it's not raining or windy or crowded and doesn't even cover 1,000kms.

According to our seemingly arbitrary laws both drivers are the same.

Not so.

It's easy to say "wait" when you already have your full licence and can ride anything you want to.

If things were .. ARE ... as good as you say ... Why then did they remove the age reduction from the restricted license legislation .. ???

[FJRider]

Last I checked the ONLY thing restricted does on a bike is lose the L plate, time restriction still applies.

Yep ... they're still a NOOB

[jellywrestler]

yes the handling on a bike is different but knowledge you gain from driving a car on the road is usefull as it allows you to see potential situations etc.

measure your tires contact patch on the road on your bike and car, maybe 40mm on a bike compared with 400mm on a car, this is only the first difference, slip on a bike and it could be hosptal job, slip in a car and it's more likely drop your pie and an insurance claim, you need to WALK before you can RUN

[Subike]

You are correct I rang up and confirmed today

Also found out the day I can sit my Restricted and that I still have 0 demerits like I have for the last 2+ years

oh and if you get pulled over on a bigger bike its only 25 demerits not 100% sure what $$$ though

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

Old school rider, 40+ years of operating vehicles including bikes of all sizes and configerations.
Sat the learners test this day 12 mths ago, Passed 35/35 questions. did not squat for the exam.
Did the 6 mths learners,
Rode and passed with positive comments the restricted riding test,
As far as you suggesting that experience in cars can easily be transferred over to bike,
Phift!!
Seen many many young fellas think this over the years, and many many of them have ended up on their ass in a ditch going W T F!
Why, ....you see bike are almost the complete opposite of cars , a car you just sit in push knobs and pedals, move a few sticks turn the wheel at the right time, and it works. A bike?, you have to control...or it will control you, bite you and spit you off as it laughs at you.
You need the two years on a learner just to learn the basics, the next 10 years to get average, and if you last the next ten years then your competent, but even after 30 years, bike will still bite you when you least expect it, no matter how experienced or skilled you are.. thats the nature of the beast...and us that know this love it.....
Cars? get in turn a key push a pedal or two turn a corner, stop....thats about it, you can master that in a day if you have any brains

[FJRider]

Lets try another example ...

The main reason for the age reduction was removed ... was in fairness to ALL holders of the learner/restricted licenses ...

If "older" motorcyclists want special privilege's ... what make them so special ??? Perhaps they should have got a bike license sooner.

The $400 fine for breach of license conditions ... isn't that bad. Being older ...he'd be more likely to have a better paying job.

[FJRider]

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

All riders/driver have to stay current with any law changes. So they should be fine.

They survived the licensing laws of the time ... on worse roads ... on worse machines. What makes you think a pre pubescent kid ... with the ink barely dry on his restricted license ... would know better .. ???

[Zapf]

yes the handling on a bike is different but knowledge you gain from driving a car on the road is usefull as it allows you to see potential situations etc.

IVe riden without a licence before and now that im doing it the right way im fustrated

I got back onto a 250 because I wanted to ease back into it.

Just a heads up I actually am one of the few people that pay fines beleive it or not

Im just trying to say the system is screwed

I would have been around 27~28 when I got into bikes. Prior to that have driven some very fast cars 500hp (around corners... not straight line jockey)

Def a lot more "Oh shit" moments even on my first 250 or a 650 bike. Cars tend to take care of themselves, bikes don't.

250cc's are silly rule, but you have LAMPS now so you can get torquey bikes.

I was lucky as I got to do a special acceleration course that got me to Full in 6 months. (not around anymore)


Yea... NZTA sucks.... so does most Govt when you want to do something different.

[FJRider]

I would have been around 27~28 when I got into bikes. Prior to that have driven some very fast cars 500hp (around corners... not straight line jockey)

Def a lot more "Oh shit" moments even on my first 250 or a 650 bike. Cars tend to take care of themselves, bikes don't.

250cc's are silly rule, but you have LAMPS now so you can get torquey bikes.

I was lucky as I got to do a special acceleration course that got me to Full in 6 months. (not around anymore)


Yea... NZTA sucks.... so does most Govt when you want to do something different.

I did my learners (no L plate) ... then two months later got my full. NO special course needed. (10 minute test)

Oh ... and it's LAM's (Learner Approved Motorcycles) ..... LAMPS light up the road ...

[unstuck]

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

When I get around to getting my bike license, I will let you know.

[willytheekid]

...Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

Hello!...been riding 30+ yrs (And still learning!)

Lost ALL of my licenses due to a NZTA stuff up (Clerical data entry error when I handed in my paper licenses...they recon I didnt pay the $10 admin fee!)
and as such...they just wiped my car and bike licenses
I then made the mistake of trying to deal with the NZTA to correct the error...yeah!...after many...MANY months of fruitless effort, I decided to just resit all my bike licenses again so I could get my bikes insurance valid again(Havn't bothered with the car license...never really drive em)

I now have my Full bike license back again (And new insurance finally!), and had no problems at all during the testing and resits....easy and actually quite fun (except for the bloody cost!)

...and I can confirm...the so called "testing"....is a bloody joke!, and a primary cause for most accidents nowdays, as the full rider test (if passed...like thats hard!) enables the purchase and use of bikes such as 200hp sport bikes, harleys etc etc...while possessing NO actual riding skills above "very basic" levels...its just a recipe for disaster!

My advice...if you want to learn quickly and correctly...forget the modified car shit they teach you through the system...and go an see a professional at a riding school!, they can supply realworld training that actually applys to bikes!, and most of all, your safety on the road!....its worth every cent (And lots of fun to!)

Ride safe Dragon

[sinfull]

Sorry for the rant

Stop it

Reasons I want a 600 is because right now I get knocked around by the wind and I have no power if I get into trouble

Its not like im going for a 1000cc bike because I know they can be to heavy for me

Maybe im explaining this wrong :s

So go get a 600 then
Only thing i can see holding ya back now is the curfew, so bloody what ! Not like ya not used to breakin the law !

JFDI