Changes to WoF system announced

[caspernz]

Ever heard somebody say "I know my tyres are a bit bald, but they'll last until the next wof"

That problem will be cured by roadside executions won't it?

[bogan]

All the time, that's my point. Now imagine if it's 12 months instead of 6....

Well, with a long enough time, they'll realise they wont last... hopefully. My point is simply that its more complex than just, wofs fix the issues and do no harm.

Are you blaming the WOF process for a vehicle owners stupidity?

Are you having trouble interpreting the word 'indirectly'? Their stupidity is always the root cause, the question is how well the wof process addresses that, and in my example, it does more harm than good.

[bluninja]

That problem will be cured by roadside executions won't it?

But only after they've paid their fines...no money in fines. Wait they could bring in a law to gain posession of a dead persons estate that's been executed for their bald tyre. Money in the coffers and remove the morons from the street....RESULT!

[Ocean1]

Prove they don't.

With the dangerous defects they do find ... ones I might add ... am glad they find and (hopefully) remove from road use. It would be a lottery on the road if NO checks were done. That same we all might be on at some stage.

Agreed it wont find and fix all possible problems ... but fixing some, will remove some ...

A few on here have "met" some motorists with no WoF or Rego. Much was usually involved. Even those WITH insurance.

With NO WoF scheme ... it wont get better.

What won't get any better?

I'm not arguing that cars don't develop faults. I'm also not saying car WoFs don't find faults. I'm saying that they don't improve the accident rates.

If you bothered looking at a representitive sample of research on the subject you'd have known that.

Here: the most rabidly spun piece of research I could find: http://users.tpg.com.au/users/mpaine...#_Toc480769760

Fill yer boots.

You sound as retarded this time as you did the last time you used that argument.

So you've got nothing either?

[DEATH_INC.]

It seems some people have strongly suggested that, because people are stupid, they need a WOF to make them maintain their vehicles to a safeish standard. The counterpoint here is that some people will maintain only enough to pass each WOF, rather than fixing things as needed. Or they pass their WOF and drive an unsafe vehicle 'believing' it to be safe cos it passed it's WOF...pretty stupid huh? We all know the WOF is just a snapshot of a vehicles condition at the time it was tested.

This is correct too. But the vehicle only has to do 6 months at a time now. What's gonna happen when it has to do 12? The owners aren't gonna get smarter...

[imdying]

MANY people in this dumb arse country will NOT change a bald tyre/worn out steering part/brake pads/disk etc etc unless they HAVE to. I see this EVERY day (that I'm at work) and I'll bet everyone else that has anything to do with wofs does too....

Yep, me too, some scary shite... we keep the best of them in the show room! Mind you, we almost need a license to work on vehicles here given some of the home repairs I've seen

Look at how many come in at the end of the 28 days grace period to get a recheck, after failing on stuff and still driving around on it for a month.

Which is because they only get a month!

And thats why the legal requirement fails to address the safety issue; because it shifts the public's views on it to a legal issue, and not a safety one.

The alternative is that it would simply shift off of the radar completely.

You sound as retarded this time as you did the last time you used that argument.

It's a fair thing to want to know. Of course, it can't be answered is the catch.

Ever heard somebody say "I know my tyres are a bit bald, but they'll last until the next wof"

Yep, and if there was no legal obligation, it would be till they blow.

[caspernz]

But only after they've paid their fines...no money in fines. Wait they could bring in a law to gain posession of a dead persons estate that's been executed for their bald tyre. Money in the coffers and remove the morons from the street....RESULT!

Ah yes, that was in the fine print...thanks for pointing that out...

[bogan]

The alternative is that it would simply shift off of the radar completely.

It's a fair thing to want to know. Of course, it can't be answered is the catch.

Yep, and if there was no legal obligation, it would be till they blow.

Or some form of random checks, that'll keep it on the radar for those whose own safety isn't.

Can't be known, but would account for why there isn't large amounts of statistical evidence showing wofs make the roads safer.

Some cases it would be sooner, some not at all, some don't bother at all currently either; again, can't be known but worth thinking about...

[FJRider]

I'm saying that they don't improve the accident rates.

So what you are saying ... is although faults ARE being found ... there is no proof the faults found may have caused accidents in the future ... if they were NOT found ... ???

I would find that hard to believe ... and prove. Considering it would take many years without a WoF system to prove that. (at least in the statistics)

[bogan]

So what you are saying ... is although faults ARE being found ... there is no proof the faults found may have caused accidents in the future ... if they were NOT found ... ???

I would find that hard to believe ... and prove. Considering it would take many years without a WoF system to prove that. (at least in the statistics)

There's also no way to prove they wouldn't be found and fixed if the wof system wasn't there.

Or you could just get stats from other parts of the world...

[FJRider]

There's also no way to prove they wouldn't be found and fixed if the wof system wasn't there.

Or you could just get stats from other parts of the world...

Like India you mean ... ???

Or do you have a country in mind that might prove your argument better .. ???

How would faults be found if nobody looks ... ???

[Katman]

There's also no way to prove they wouldn't be found and fixed if the wof system wasn't there.

Fuck's sake man. I've had people come in for a WOF that have clearly spent considerable time before coming in cleaning off the fork oil that has been running down over their brakes.

(Except they didn't have the intelligence to actually clean the oil off their brakes).

[imdying]

Or some form of random checks, that'll keep it on the radar for those whose own safety isn't.

Can't be known, but would account for why there isn't large amounts of statistical evidence showing wofs make the roads safer.

Some cases it would be sooner, some not at all, some don't bother at all currently either; again, can't be known but worth thinking about...

In the end, you have to ask yourself whether you think an acceptable percentage of New Zealanders could be trusted to self manage the safety level of the national fleet. I do not think they could.

[bogan]

Like India you mean ... ???

Or do you have a country in mind that might prove your argument better .. ???

How would faults be found if nobody looks ... ???

Probably pick somewhere which has a more similar road laws/terrain/vehicle quality than india...

as I've been saying for many many posts now, perhaps somebody else would choose to look if the wofs guys didn't have to

Fuck's sake man. I've had people come in for a WOF that have clearly spent considerable time before coming in cleaning off the fork oil that has been running down over their brakes.

yet another example of just how brilliantly the wof system is working

[bogan]

In the end, you have to ask yourself whether you think an acceptable percentage of New Zealanders could be trusted to self manage the safety level of the national fleet. I do not think they could.

Well, when you put it like that, we better make sure there is a lot of random checks if the wof system is ever abandoned